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Egypt asks US museum to return gold mummy mask
Middle East Times ^ | February 24, 2006

Posted on 03/01/2006 10:35:43 AM PST by nickcarraway

CAIRO -- Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities said on Thursday that it has asked a US museum to return a Pharaoh's golden mask, which it said had disappeared from a storage area in Cairo's Egyptian Museum.

It asked the Saint Louis Art Museum in Missouri to return the mask of Ka-Nefer-Nefer, which it said dated to the XIX dynasty and had been spotted by an Egyptologist in a recent tour of the Missouri museum collection.

The mummy mask "was discovered by Egyptian archaeologist Mohammed Zakaria Ghoneim in 1952 and was placed in the museum's storage area in 1959", said a statement by Zahi Hawass, the Council's secretary-general.

The Council asked Egypt's prosecutor general to follow up on the matter with US authorities.

Hawass added that several works of art had been lost after being placed years ago in the museum's disorderly storage area.

The US museum bought the mask in 1998 for $500,000 from an antiquities company called Phoenix Ancient Art run by two Lebanese brothers, Hisham and Ali Abutam.

Another Egyptian archaeological official had last week asked a Swiss museum to return the left eye of the statue of Pharaoh Amenhotep III that it said had been stolen from a temple in Luxor, south of Cairo.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliaboutaam; archaeology; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; hichamaboutaam; kanefernefer; lebanon; phoenixancientart; slam; stlouis
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To: saganite
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21 posted on 03/01/2006 11:00:26 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: saganite

All right. That's it. I've got to find a reliable image host!


22 posted on 03/01/2006 11:01:11 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: saganite

The Egyptians stole the image.


23 posted on 03/01/2006 11:03:40 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: nickcarraway

Right after Egypt "returns" the World Trade Center to NYC, as it seems to have been taken away by savages led by an Egyptian, Mohammad Atta


24 posted on 03/01/2006 11:05:13 AM PST by dagnabbit (Vicente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: nickcarraway

Call me a sceptic, but this smells like a scam.

It goes like this: The curator of the egyptian antiquities storage "sells" the mask to two Lebanese brothers, who then sell it to a US museum. The curator then sends someone to the museum who "finds" the missing mask and reports it the government, who demands it back. Meanwhile the Curator feigns ignorance.

This little conspiracy, however, depends on the timelines involved. As in the length of time from sale to the museum to its "discovery" by the wanderiing egyptologist that happened to "know" that the mask he saw had been stolen from a storeroom in egypt.

That raises another question. How did this guy know that the mask was stolen and/or missing?


25 posted on 03/01/2006 11:12:54 AM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: 2001convSVT

Peru is demanding that Yale University return an entire collection of antiquities excavated at Machu Picchu in 1912 that it insists was deposited at Yale only as a loan.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/2E25424B3CC6C68E8625712000813AC6?OpenDocument&highlight=2%2C%22antiquities%22

Greece and Turkey also claim that U.S. museums hold artifacts looted from their soil.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000088&sid=a_6ssJtZ2pt0&refer=culture

Ethiopia wanted obelisk returned to it from Italy. They got it back, but it is still sitting pieces.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=vn20060227011059174C927322


26 posted on 03/01/2006 11:13:01 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: bwteim
I see what you mean. As long as there is money in it the turd worlders will demanded a return of antiquities. The returned antiquities never to be studied/seen again!
27 posted on 03/01/2006 11:23:31 AM PST by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: 2001convSVT

Too lazy to Google right now, but I expect there are some who would try to tie the the Crusades to a return of artifacts from the West today.


28 posted on 03/01/2006 11:28:20 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: 2001convSVT

That's because nationalism as an ideology didn't really arise until the 18th and 19th century.

Egyptians have incorporated Ancient Egypt into their national myth (we are better because we are older, etc- see Italy, Greece, Iran & Japan for more on this theory), and consequently, old rocks become culturally very significant around this time.

That, and they didn't get formal independence until 1922- its kind of hard to chase after your national treasures when you are part of the Ottoman Empire.


29 posted on 03/01/2006 12:01:09 PM PST by stormlead
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To: massgopguy
Don't forget the curse!

Would that be Hileary! or Helen Thomas?

30 posted on 03/01/2006 12:53:51 PM PST by ol' hoghead (Some fiend stole my corkscrew. I've had nothing but food and water to live on this week)
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To: 2001convSVT
Up until westerner archaeologist told the native Egyptian that these relics were valuable and offered money for them the Egyptians treated them like garbage

That happened/happens everywhere. In a subsitence or non-rich culture, locals always quarry the ancient ruing for stones for their house or grab the assorted oddities for mundance purposes.It's only richer societies who have the resources and leisure to promote the importance of preserving the past.

31 posted on 03/01/2006 1:48:49 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: nickcarraway

alas...

Out of Egypt [Saint Louis Art Museum, Ka-Nefer-Nefer mask]
Riverfront Times | Feb 15, 2006 | Malcolm Gay
Posted on 02/18/2006 11:17:53 PM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1581448/posts


32 posted on 03/01/2006 10:11:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Fiction has to make sense, unless it's part of the Dhimmicrat agenda and its supporting myth.)
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Thanks nick.

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33 posted on 03/01/2006 10:12:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Fiction has to make sense, unless it's part of the Dhimmicrat agenda and its supporting myth.)
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To: blam; Berosus

Hell, that guy has sent me about twenty of those 36x36 posters, one for every time I mention his name on an FR thread, regardless of what I say about him. Damned nuisance. I'm sure they'll be really valuable someday.


34 posted on 03/01/2006 10:14:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Fiction has to make sense, unless it's part of the Dhimmicrat agenda and its supporting myth.)
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To: ScreamingFist
Unless something has changed drastically in the last 10 years, Cairo's Museum was a crap hole. Artifacts tossed in corners, covered with dust. Piles of uncatalogued antiquities, corrupt guards ($10 dollars to see the "good stuff" in the off limit rooms). What a dump. No doubt quite a good racket for selling than asking for their own artifacts to be returned.

It has changed. Not only are they building a new museum near Giza to house much of the stuff, they've finally gotten around to cleaning out the basement of the old one. I had Zahi Hawass' predecessor, Dr. Gaballa Ali Gaballa, as an Egyptology teacher back in 1981, and he told me there were so many statues, mummies, sarcophagi, papyrus scrolls, etc. in the museum basement, that we could answer all the questions we have about ancient Egypt, just by studying that material!

35 posted on 03/02/2006 7:17:07 AM PST by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wait a minute, didn't the article say that was a pharaoh's mask? I never heard of a pharaoh named Ka-nefer-nefer. Maybe there was one during one of the intermediate periods, but certainly not in the XIX dynasty.


36 posted on 03/02/2006 7:20:46 AM PST by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: Gator101

Where do you park your car? I'll gladly steal it and return it to you for a finder's fee (or buy it "hot" and do the same).


37 posted on 03/02/2006 7:23:04 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: nickcarraway

Give it back. It belongs in Egypt, it's a part of their heritage. It should be given back with the condition that Egypt will send, on a regular basis, road shows to the US with Egyptian relics so everyone can have access to them.


38 posted on 03/02/2006 7:30:45 AM PST by McGavin999 (I suggest the UAE form a Joint Venture Partnership with Halliburton & Wal-Mart)
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To: Berosus

Only a technicality. :') I think Ka-nefer-nefer reigned just before the Pharaoh Iko-Iko-wundai.


39 posted on 03/02/2006 7:54:17 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Fiction has to make sense, unless it's part of the Dhimmicrat agenda and its supporting myth.)
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To: Berosus
It has changed.

I'm glad to hear that. There are many amazing things there.....

40 posted on 03/02/2006 9:42:02 AM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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