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To: John O
Exactly. Why would a woman give her body away to a man who won't even commit to her? So it seems that the woman who chooses to shack up doesn't mind being treated (or thought of) that way.

Adult men, and women, make adult choices to live their lives the way they wish... neither is a cow. Your post reminds us in a subtle way that in your mind women are lessers and merely fools or victims of the whims of their men. The men are not bovine providing services for free in your mind, the women are.

You know I don't agree with that John. Adult men, or women, have all kinds of success and failure in their relationships. No matter which box you put them in, it's up to the people involved to make the relationship work, or not work.

233 posted on 03/01/2006 12:01:39 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Adult men, and women, make adult choices to live their lives the way they wish... neither is a cow. Your post reminds us in a subtle way that in your mind women are lessers and merely fools or victims of the whims of their men. The men are not bovine providing services for free in your mind, the women are."

Exacty. That is the way I read that post as well. And women would be wise to avoid men who think like that. Thank God the devoutly religious men in my life, closest to me were FAIR and didn't think that way. They held the same standards for men and women. What was wrong for women was also wrong for men and vice versa. In fact, that is what Christianity teaches.

256 posted on 03/01/2006 12:56:23 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Small is the key!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Your post reminds us in a subtle way that in your mind women are lessers and merely fools or victims of the whims of their men. The men are not bovine providing services for free in your mind, the women are.

Not all women, and not all men. I look down on any woman who would submit to a sexual relationship without being married. I look down on any man who would be in a sexual relationship without being married. (I do however recognize common law marriages. If they have a strong and lasting (several years) committment to each other I count them as married)

Knowing what I do of male nature, the men in most of these situations would be using the women. Men want sex and women want security. However, only a cad would take advantage of a woman this way.

There may be a case (or even a few) of women taking advantage of the men for sexual favors but I've never seen one. Women just aren't wired that way.

it's up to the people involved to make the relationship work, or not work

This is true. But those who don't commit foer the long haul start at a great disadvantage

258 posted on 03/01/2006 12:59:26 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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