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Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban
AFP ^ | 1 March 2006

Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.

But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

"That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview.

Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office."

The bill, which recently gained final approval from South Dakota's House of Representatives, directly contradicts the precedent set in 1973 when the US Supreme Court ruled that bans on abortion violate a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization.

The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill.

A leading pro-choice advocacy group has already vowed to challenge the ban in federal court. But that seems to be exactly what many promoters of the legislation seek.

Advocates of the ban do not deny they aim much higher than South Dakota, a rural and socially conservative state, which even today has only one abortion clinic.

Instead, they are hoping the bill will offer a full frontal assault on legal abortions now that the balance of power in the Supreme Court appears to have shifted with the confirmation of conservative jurists John Roberts and Samuel Alito, both of whom are seen as pro-life.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionban; deadbabies; freepertimewarp; incest; misleadingheadline; presidentbush; rape; readthearticle; southdakota
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To: jveritas

Well if we're using personal examples....I am the descendant of a rapist.

You know, she survived the rape. A beautiful, strong, vibrant, loving woman, raising a child on her own, the child of a man who dragged her into the woods and raped her.

Would I have rather she be spared that pain and I not exist? That's kind of like asking black people if they're grateful for slavery because at least they get to live in America now. If I could ask her, I know for sure what the God-fearing woman's answer would be.

Killing the child does not erase the rape. It just adds violence to violence.

And maybe you think I'm radical, but even if killing the child COULD somehow magically erase the evil rape, it would still be 100% wrong. It's wrong to harm an innocent to make someone else feel better.


461 posted on 02/28/2006 8:05:38 PM PST by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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To: lesser_satan
Right, just bearing the baby. You must not know how to read between the lines ~ compensation can be arranged.

Cold, hard fact of life is that babies get sold every day in this country.

462 posted on 02/28/2006 8:05:53 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: frankiep
So is it ok to kill innocent babies as long as their father was a criminal?

It's certainly legal.

463 posted on 02/28/2006 8:06:00 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: Casloy

So, ultimately, it IS about outlawing abortion? Maybe I missed your point.


464 posted on 02/28/2006 8:06:03 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: cyborg

sure they are different the conception is.. the burden of carrying the child is different.. no one is arguing that ......but their the life of one baby is no less precious than the others.. no matter how it was conceived...


465 posted on 02/28/2006 8:06:06 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: clawrence3

What crime did the baby commit that would make it's "justifiably homicide" ok? Killing the criminal who committed the rape or incest would be justifiable, killing the innocent child would not be.


466 posted on 02/28/2006 8:06:20 PM PST by frankiep
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To: muawiyah
Why am I not surprised?
467 posted on 02/28/2006 8:06:44 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

Communication is a wonderful thing. We males might not be able to personally feel it or experience it, but we can hear and read about it. In that sense, our species is a wonderful and unique thing.


468 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:18 PM PST by Torie
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To: BunnySlippers

but men are NOT incapable of understanding the precious gift of life....even if you do think they are half brain dead....

(just tryin' to lighten things up guys...... please take it with a grain of salt...)


469 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:22 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: clawrence3

You know, for some reason I believe you...

God Bless ya clawrence3


470 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:46 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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To: Aussie Dasher
rape and incest...

He's always been above board about the rape incest exception. It is the same position as Ronald Reagan

The real difficulty is that Bush will reliably stand for what he believes in...even when it antagonize his base.

Is that a good thing?

471 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:59 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: oceanview
The ports deal is not at all what it has been portrayed to be. On the other hand, if all the USSC did was take the original Roe v. Wade decision and change about 3 words in it, abortion would be outlawed.

I think Scalia would go along with that.

472 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:59 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

ROFLLL!!!


473 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:59 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: eeevil conservative

I've made all my cases...we're just never going to agree. That's all.


474 posted on 02/28/2006 8:08:26 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Hildy

How dare I what? Point that you said someone's feelings and mental state make it justifiable to kill an innocent child?

You either think that dismembering innocent children is wrong, or you don't.


475 posted on 02/28/2006 8:09:05 PM PST by frankiep
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To: cyborg
" I do think that a lot of women who've had abortions because the boyfriend wanted it or because it got in the way of their career do regret it later on (esp. if they go on to have other children)."

I would think abortion, period, would cause mental distress later on. I would be surprised if a rational mind can trick itself into separating "wrong" vs. "not great, but what else can I do?" Any attempt to successfully sweep the decision under the rug would be tough, I think. Very big decision; very small rug for which to use as a cover.
476 posted on 02/28/2006 8:09:17 PM PST by jdm (I do not allow any liberal to swim, er, ride in my car.)
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To: BunnySlippers

You live an isolated life.


477 posted on 02/28/2006 8:09:40 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: frankiep

There does not need to be a crime for "justifiable homicide" - for instance, it can be the killing of another in self-defense when danger of death or serious bodily injury exists, even if the other person does not know they are posing said risk - I will grant you such force used must be reasonable and cannot be excessive. If there is some reasonable step short of deadly force, that should always be used first. Let me know if you have any further questions.


478 posted on 02/28/2006 8:10:04 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: frankiep
No, but an innocent person shouldn't be able to enslave you because somebody committed a crime against you either.

I predict your next response will be something along the lines of, "Are you equating bearing a child with slavery?", to which my response will be, "Yes, if she is forced against her will to bear a child whose conception she bears no responsibility for".

So there is really no point in arguing any further, as neither of us shall persuade the other in this matter.

479 posted on 02/28/2006 8:10:19 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: eeevil conservative

I agree and that's why I'd never have one myself. I'd give it up for adoption. I wouldn't wait to report the crime either that way I could take the pill and no conception to begin with.


480 posted on 02/28/2006 8:10:19 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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