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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Birth rates, death rates, disease rates, recessive gene rates, available food supplies,...

Your calculations have missed quite a few factors.
961 posted on 03/01/2006 11:23:31 AM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Junior; js1138
My theory is they know they're wrong seven ways from Sunday...

I would add to that that there's a little voice of conscience in the back of their heads that just won't shut up.

IMO a lot of the anger, shouting, scripture-quoting, etc that we observe is an attempt to drown it out.

You know, there might be Muslims with a conscience too....

962 posted on 03/01/2006 11:28:36 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American

It's the quiet times like this that I imagine freepmails passing back and forth attempting to formulate a response.

Then, when the responses finally start I realize that it's the same old stuff. Replay with random shuffle.

Where is Mr. mathematics with his analysis of population growth, or his explanation of flood geology? Or is flood geology too much like plumbing?


963 posted on 03/01/2006 11:34:06 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Re: My question, though, is why every living male des not have the same Y chromosome.)))

For starters, the living male's chromosone may change some even in his lifetime. And, as I said, a little info is lost upon (X)Y's recombination with a new X. There really isn't much info on the Y in the first place, and when it mutates, it often proves fatal. In the XX, however, we get much better info, the mitochondrial DNA is more reliably tranmitted.

It'd be nice to have a sample of Noah, but we don't have it. All we have points in a more interesting way to Noah's wife--the XX.

So, the Y changes throughout many generations, and it changes within a lifetime, and it changes within a single recombination.

964 posted on 03/01/2006 11:40:28 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Note to self: file in Blue Moon Attempt.


965 posted on 03/01/2006 11:42:46 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
So, the Y changes throughout many generations, and it changes within a lifetime, and it changes within a single recombination.

Is that your actual answer?

966 posted on 03/01/2006 11:44:48 AM PST by js1138
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To: aNYCguy
Notice you didn't answer the question, but took a pot shot at me.

That old TimeLife tiny ugly ape to full stature human being poster is a bit ragged about the edges, but I suppose that's the pooftext you and other FR evos think suitable for schoolchildren on Evolution
967 posted on 03/01/2006 11:47:26 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Mamzelle
Note to self: I told you it would end up in bad faith.
968 posted on 03/01/2006 11:47:58 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: js1138

Never mind. Forget it and go to the Grim Madame's tea party. Silly me, to think you actually wanted to talk about something.


969 posted on 03/01/2006 11:49:43 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

It is rather easy to track male lineage via the Y chrosome. Mutations do not interfere with tracing of lineage.


970 posted on 03/01/2006 11:50:55 AM PST by js1138
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To: Mamzelle
Why study the Y: Chromosome reveals path of ancestral humans

THE Y CHROMOSOME IN THE STUDY OF HUMAN EVOLUTION, MIGRATION AND PREHISTORY

971 posted on 03/01/2006 11:51:12 AM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Mamzelle

I'm not arguing with you. I just wanted to know if you actually believe that the Y chromosome can't be used to trace male lineage.

There are millions of lurkers on FR. Take your time and don't worry about my opinion.


972 posted on 03/01/2006 11:53:44 AM PST by js1138
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To: b_sharp

Somehow I think 89,000 years is an order of magnitude off from the Noah Story.


973 posted on 03/01/2006 11:59:29 AM PST by js1138
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Different audience.

This way I don't have to have as much material....


974 posted on 03/01/2006 12:03:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RightWingNilla

BooHoo!

Wading through the swamp is like old home week for you then.


975 posted on 03/01/2006 12:04:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Mamzelle
Maybe some sort of emoticon--like a yellow streak?

I love it!

Some lurk in the SHADOWS for a LONG time.

We got ping lists; why doesn't JimRob get us anti-ping lists.

Or if your skin is so thin that just seeing your screenname typed by 'OneYouCanNotStand' you go spazz, then perhaps a "Don't let HIM post to me" list like your e-mail has!

976 posted on 03/01/2006 12:07:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PatrickHenry
If I want to see that material, I'll hang out in the religion forum.

Boo double Hoo!

Let's just censor those Jesus-freaks to Mongolia while we are at it!

977 posted on 03/01/2006 12:09:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: js1138
Why doesn't every male have the same Y chromosome?

I don't know.

Why do you think they should???

978 posted on 03/01/2006 12:10:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PatrickHenry
Here we go again.

Just ignore #974-10xx?

979 posted on 03/01/2006 12:10:36 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Elsie

Another "-thon" coming on?


980 posted on 03/01/2006 12:11:11 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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