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Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry
House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.
The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.
But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.
Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.
"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"
Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.
"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.
The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.
Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.
Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.
But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.
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And here we are discussing theology....who'd a thunk it?
If they had latitude in behavior, and if God is absolutely omniscient, then God could have foreseen everything as in a preview, and then made necessary adaptations according to a plan to accomplish a desired end.
The flood would have been one of those adaptations. (So would the cross of Calvary.)
Again, God's desired end was more important than the cost along the way. I was worth the cost of His own Son's life.
"Are you prepared mathematically to back up this assertion? Let's do the math."
Let's do the genetics instead. It's genetically impossible.
"First of all there were 8 people who were products of a world history of nearly a thousand years. Do you really think they were all directly related?"
Yes. There was Noah and his family.
"Secondly, even if it were only Adam and Eve, the genetic concentration from the first humans would eliminate fears that we currently associate with inbreeding."
Nonsense. You are ignoring the entire field of genetics.
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"If they had latitude in behavior, and if God is absolutely omniscient, then God could have foreseen everything as in a preview, and then made necessary adaptations according to a plan to accomplish a desired end."
He could have done all of this before he created mankind, but he didn't.
"The flood would have been one of those adaptations. (So would the cross of Calvary.)"
Only if God is cruel and capricious.
"Again, God's desired end was more important than the cost along the way. I was worth the cost of His own Son's life."
And humankind be damned.
I count my in-laws as family. Do you?
How imaginative.
This is for the lurkers.
I have more data from my own research if anyone is interested.
It has nothing to do with FR's server. It'll spit out whatever is proper HTML.
It's up to the user to have the glyphs installed, unknown character will show up as high lighted question marks.
The Textus Receptus translation of Mark 7:31 is:
και παλιν εξελθων εκ των οριων τυρου και σιδωνος ηλθεν προς την θαλασσαν της γαλιλαιας ανα μεσον των οριων δεκαπολεως
How do you know? I find it mildly amusing for someone of your stature to tell me what is impossible. Lots of people have told me what is "impossible." Many have spoken the word "impossible" only to eat their words at a later date. At bottom, however, you are just spouting the word.
"How do you know?"
Because the Bible says so.
"Lots of people have told me what is "impossible." Many have spoken the word "impossible" only to eat their words at a later date. At bottom, however, you are just spouting the word."
And you are ignoring basic genetics.
και παλιν εξελθων εκ των οριων τυρου και σιδωνος ηλθεν προς την θαλασσαν της γαλιλαιας ανα μεσον των ορι μων δεκαπολεως
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You supply that link as a serious rebuttal to the account of a world wide deluge when the first objection is that the boat was made of wood. What natural substance would be better suited to the task? Is the author of this rebuttal even slightly aware that instructions were given to coat the wood both inside and out?
And if all of that is not enough, let me know. I have some of my own research to contribute as well.
But not tonight. Its late and I haven't shaved. I'll check back in the morning. Night all!
Why must the population be at a certain level "immediately following the flood?" I sense a straw man. I generally consider the pyramids of Egypt, for example, to be products of pre-flood civilization.
Maybe you use "talkorigins" as your own kind of biblical text. I prefer texts that are better rooted in history and fact.
I count eleven, one short of a dozen. Good heavens, one would think the fellow would present his strongest, most compelling point first. After all, he's an evangelist.
Listening to the Crickets Chirp...
Because we know the dates of certain aspects of those civilizations; when the pyramids were built, when the cities rose and fell in Mesopotamia, India, China, etc.
Since you disagree with the dating of the pyramids (at the very least), just ignore them and focus on the Tower of Babel. The date of the Tower of Babel comes from the Bible itself, as a certain number of generations after the flood. That is why the programmer who wrote this stopped the run after the date of the Tower of Babel. There was no way that the earth's population had gotten large enough for that incident to have occurred.
BTW, I do not use talkorigins as a "biblical text". It is a site that contains a large wealth of information, that's all.
I am given to understand the generations denoted in the biblical texts are not necessarily contiguous but general ascriptions so that we know the texts have a sound basis in history. Hence the dating of the Tower of Babel is subject to uncertainty, as is your friend's programming in relation to potential re-population.
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