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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: phantomworker; Junior; PatrickHenry
Anything beets this nonsense. I'm sure that "anything" will turnip any time now.

ROFLMAO! Do you know you've been doing this ALL afternoon! LOLOL! So funny!

Don't encourage them!

After an afternoon of these puns I feel like I artichoke somebody.

1,381 posted on 03/02/2006 7:52:24 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman; Junior; PatrickHenry

That is so funny!

A rubber band pistol was confiscated from algebra class because it was a weapon of math disruption.


1,382 posted on 03/02/2006 7:57:28 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: P-Marlowe
"It didn't. Yet this was given as a scientific example of observed natural evolutionary speciation.

It was given as an example of speciation as result of selection. The point was to show that speciation can occur by the selection of specific traits, in this case mating habits, any other trait could have been chosen.

1,383 posted on 03/02/2006 8:03:28 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: PatrickHenry

OK, here's a serious question for you...

Do molecular biologists wear designer genes?


1,384 posted on 03/02/2006 8:10:32 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: PatrickHenry; Elsie
I know you guys make up original puns and mine came from google, but here's another good one for Elsie:

The theory of evolution was greatly objected to because it made man think.


1,385 posted on 03/02/2006 8:31:16 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: b_sharp
Noah should never have left her alone with his sons...

He was drunk-naked in his tent.

1,386 posted on 03/02/2006 8:33:00 PM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: dread78645
Noah should never have left her alone with his sons... He was drunk-naked in his tent.

Hey! does this conform to:

Please remember to use moderator-compliant FReepSpeaktm.

1,387 posted on 03/02/2006 8:41:00 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: b_sharp; sirchtruth; BeHoldAPaleHorse
The point was to show that speciation can occur by the selection of specific traits, in this case mating habits, any other trait could have been chosen.

Wrong. The article was posted in response to the following Question by sirchtruth:

After the numerous times yous guys have shown me what evolution is, the reality still exist no one has ever seen an animal evolve into another species. It would be impossible to observe occording to evolutionist own arguments.

BeholdaPaleHorse posted the article and said:

Below is a discussion of observed speciation events for your review. I eagerly await a detailed critique.

So the article was posted to show observed evolution from one species to another (which it did not do).

1,388 posted on 03/02/2006 8:52:14 PM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe; betty boop
Now, are they a different "species" because they don't want to mate?

LOLOL! And thereby we have "intelligent cause" as the best explanation for speciation.

Thank you for your post!

1,389 posted on 03/02/2006 11:07:51 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: blue-duncan

LOLOLOL! Thank you for the chuckle, blue-duncan!


1,390 posted on 03/02/2006 11:08:36 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWingNilla
Sounds great [Olympian Design]. Now lets start demanding it taught in public schools.

Hang on--I only stole the basic concept a few hours ago. So far only three people have signed my petition indicating that they have doubts about the last 150 years of science on the grounds that it contradicts Homer, I have not yet conducted any original research to demonstrate that the cosmos arose from the golden egg laid by the blackbird Nyx, and thus have not yet published any findings in peer-reviewed journals...

By golly, you're right, first step sure should be introducing these concepts to secondary school students. Teach the controversy!

1,391 posted on 03/03/2006 1:41:25 AM PST by ToryHeartland
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To: PatrickHenry
I'm no fool.

Oh dear, you are going to find this a serious impediment to becoming a true cultist. You are an object lesson in the dangers of excessive education: fill your head with too much knowledge, and you have no room left for the truth.

But don't despair, there are remedies. First, you can learn much from these threads about how to cling to a priori assertions in the face of inordinate amounts of contrary data. But you really do need to get out a bit more and spend time with liberals, who can teach you much about relativism, the superior value of feelings over cold hard data, and the equal merit that should be accorded to all points of view.

I will need to see a sign. What do the entrails say?

Unfortunately, I am fresh out of sacrificial rams so can't do a quick liver reading. But I have just returned from my local grocer where, mirabile visu!, there was a special offer on calves liver: buy two packs, get one free! Zeus, the cloud-gatherer has spoken!

Heed the omen, o mortal one!

1,392 posted on 03/03/2006 1:55:02 AM PST by ToryHeartland
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To: Coyoteman; phantomworker; Junior
After an afternoon of these puns I feel like I artichoke somebody.

This is driving me nuts.

1,393 posted on 03/03/2006 3:12:57 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry; Coyoteman; phantomworker
I dunno. I considered the whole thing food for thought.
1,394 posted on 03/03/2006 3:16:40 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior; Coyoteman; phantomworker
I yam done with these juvenile puns.
1,395 posted on 03/03/2006 3:19:22 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
There is nothing lower than a fruit pun. They plum the depths.

Does this mean you are raisin objections to them?

1,396 posted on 03/03/2006 4:46:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Virginia-American
Marsupials are found in Australia and S. America. They are not found in Eurasia or Africa.

They ARE found flattened on the roads in Indiana...

Opposum (Didelphys Marsupialis Insularis)

1,397 posted on 03/03/2006 4:48:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: balrog666
Did I miss another obsessive Creationist rant on homosexuality?

I didn't see PH say that he didn't want to be pinged to it.

1,398 posted on 03/03/2006 4:50:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

LOL!


1,399 posted on 03/03/2006 4:51:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: From many - one.
Fits under the same.. both may or one must..be wrong scenario.

But I said that one MIGHT be right!

1,400 posted on 03/03/2006 4:52:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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