Utah House kills evolution bill

Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

[Virginia-American]

...fossils result as they have, for example, at Mt. Saint Helens.

Please provide a cite for this. Fossils? after 20-odd years?

[Fester Chugabrew]

There are far too many creatures in the fossil record for them all to have been alive at the same time.

Has it occured to you that a great deal of fossilization may have taken place since the flood?

[Junior]

Your choices are basically that regarding the Flood he was mistaken, has been mis-interpreted, was lying, or was telling the truth.

Or that he didn't say it at all, and the words were put in his mouth by the author.

Why do all the anti-Es conveniently forgot that particular option?

[Junior]

Orange you takin' this a bit far?

[dread78645]

"Flood of Kumquats" placemark

[Junior]

Pitcairn island is an example of a few surnames becoming dominant and other surnames dying out.

[wyattearp]

It's all about me and whatever I think.

When my nephew was really little, I took him to a farm to show him a llama. I figured that he'd never seen one before. I was right. This is how the conversation went:

Me, pointing to a Llama: "So, what kind of an animal is that?"
Nephew, sqinting and furrowing his brow: "Horsie?"
Me: "No, that's a 'Llama'".
Nephew, gives me a dirty look, looks back at the llama: "Cowie?"
Me: "No, that's a 'Llama'".
Nephew, looks at me, looks at the llama, getting angry: "Horsie?"
Me: "No, that's a..."
Nephew: "HORSIE!!!"
Me: "No, th...
Nephew: "HORSIE!!"
Me: "Ok, it's a horsie."
Nephew, smiling, nodding his head: "Horsie."

That's what it is like around here sometimes...

[Junior]

I simply interpret the physical evidence differently than you do.

Nope. As has been pointed out before, you would have to interpret the evidence IN ISOLATION to come to the conclusion there was a universal flood. The evidence TAKEN IN TOTAL converges on there never having been a worldwide flood.

[Fester Chugabrew]

I don't recall ever asserting that "organized matter proves God." If you are this lax in comprehending and restating my words, then I reckon you may just as lax at comprehending and restating whatever other information comes your way.

My points along those lines are simply 1.) the presence of organized matter that performs specific functions is more or less ubiquitious, 2.) it is hardly unreasonable to attribute such things to intelligent design, and 3.) intelligent design has been the operative assumption of western science for thousands of years.

Attendant to those points is the fact that well known scientists throughout the ages have understood it is neither necessary nor logical to hermetically seal science from religion (or the mysterious or the emotional), Albert Einstein being a case in point. We are fortunate to live in country that supports free thought and the commingling of ideas that are both scientific and religious.

[Diamond]

Or that he didn't say it at all, and the words were put in his mouth by the author.

Why do all the anti-Es conveniently forgot that particular option?

For the same reason, except to a degree many orders of magnitude higher, that no one questions the authenticity of the words of Plato, Aristotle or Homer, et al.

Cordially,

[Elsie]

You don't speak for believers

 

 

I didn't know I was.

 

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[Fester Chugabrew]

It's all about me and whatever I think.

I wasn't the one who authored the account of Noah. But I do know what words mean. As far as the ability to communicate purely from the standpoint of one's own personal views, the post to which I am responding is a case in point. It really is all about you and what you think. You have no authority other than yourself and those whom you choose to espouse. As for me, I am accountable to a text that resides outside of myself and is of not my own making. I have a standard. You have yourself and your own judgments.

[js1138]

When I was a kid my next door neighbor's grandfather was the 1944 Nobel Laureate in Medicine, but that's about the closest I'm going to get.

I went to the college that produced Stanley Miller and had a dorm room next door to Robert Meeropol. For a conservative, I'm dragging a lot of baggage.

[Diamond]

As has been pointed out before, you would have to interpret the evidence IN ISOLATION to come to the conclusion there was a universal flood.

Eighty percent of the earth's crust is sedimentary rock. 95 percent of all fossils are marine invertrebrates, with no clear evidence of any evolutionary precursors in the fossil record. I don't know how to interpret that 95% in an isolated manner.

Cordially,

[Junior]

There may have been a time when the earth's axis was orientated in such a way as to provide milder climates.

If one pole is rotated toward the Sun, the other will, perforce, be rotated away -- meaning its share of solar energy will be reduced, in extreme cases to zero. There will still be gradations on the globe between arctic and tropical, and with a greater axial tilt every latitude will experience varying extremes in temperature greater than experienced today.

You can't achieve your desired "mild climate" everywhere on a globe.

[PatrickHenry]

Orange you takin' this a bit far?

Be fruitful, and multiply.

[Fester Chugabrew]

They did maintain for a couple of centuries that there was a global flood.

I didn't know life spans in the 1800's reached two centuries. My point is, if they had held throughout their lifetime that a global flood with is accord with the geological evidence, they would be no less subject to your pooh-poohing than am I.

[Junior]

We have third-party references for the Greek guys. All we have are the Gospels for Jesus. We don't even have any Roman records of his existence, and the Romans kept track of everything -- especially folks who caused enough trouble to be crucified.

[Junior]

Citations, please. You're throwing out numbers willy-nilly.

Now, how do raindrop spatters fossilize under millions of tonnes of water?

[Junior]

Be fruitful, and multiply.

Lettuce take this up at another time.