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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: Junior

Alright--I guess you'll have nothing to lose, then, when I stick around.


1,021 posted on 03/01/2006 12:58:47 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

It's a puzzle to you because you can't respond with anything of substance. You can't even post anything that would indicate to lurkers that you understand the problem.

Twist in the wind. Question people's motives. Just don't respond to the question.

It is a question of substance. It has nothing to do with how you feel or whether I'm a nice person. It's a real question, and you have no response other than to claim mistreatment.


1,022 posted on 03/01/2006 12:59:56 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

Well, and to be alert for your mistreatment of others, which is what attracted my attn to you in the first place.


1,023 posted on 03/01/2006 1:01:19 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: js1138; Mamzelle
I hope you have noticed Mamzelle's insistance that changes in the Y chromosome 'loses' information.

Perhaps this our opportunity to clarify the whole 'information' problem, from a bona fide mathematician.

How about it Mamzelle? Care to tell us what measure of information is to be used for biological organisms and why?

Could you also explain to us why such things as point mutations, gene duplication followed by a point mutation, and polyploidy do not result in an increase in information?

Heck, while you are at it, mind explaining why any 'information increase' is necessary for evolution to take place? Why can not a single 'change' in a gene, say a HOX gene, produce a different morphology?

1,024 posted on 03/01/2006 1:01:21 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: js1138

Maybe just a tad.


1,025 posted on 03/01/2006 1:02:16 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Mamzelle

I am so mean.


1,026 posted on 03/01/2006 1:03:05 PM PST by js1138
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To: Mamzelle; js1138
So trace the lineage. I'd still rather use the X side

If you wanted to trace female lineages you would use mitochondrial DNA, not the X chromosome (which gets shuffled in females).

And the problem for YECers remains: we see far too much variation in mtDNA between populations for there to have been a common ancestor 6000 yrs ago.

1,027 posted on 03/01/2006 1:03:14 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: b_sharp

You know, that might be a good question if it was asked seriously. A lot of this might be fun to discuss with different people.


1,028 posted on 03/01/2006 1:03:54 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: js1138
I am so mean.

And I am so average...

1,029 posted on 03/01/2006 1:05:11 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Mamzelle

So an elementary question, simply put, is not serious. Tell me, other than attacking other people's motives, what have you contributed?


1,030 posted on 03/01/2006 1:06:26 PM PST by js1138
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To: Elsie

I'm flattered that I impress you with my tagline. It hope it helps. It's funny you don't do anything for me.

If you are a guy, why would you want to take on a female persona?


1,031 posted on 03/01/2006 1:07:21 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: Junior

I used to be accused of being too middle of the road, so I guess that makes me median rather than mean.


1,032 posted on 03/01/2006 1:07:52 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

I'll continue to contribute warnings to the unwary. So go see about your next target.


1,033 posted on 03/01/2006 1:07:56 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: phantomworker

Ellsworth. I'd turn that into Elsie, too. It's also an old-fashioned name in the rural mountainous south. Posey is another, surprisingly common. So, phantom, how's motherhood treating you?


1,034 posted on 03/01/2006 1:10:55 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: js1138

I would have said you were a little off, but since it's a standard deviation it doesn't often come across.


1,035 posted on 03/01/2006 1:10:56 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: phantomworker; Elsie

I always figured it was phoneticizing (is that a word?) of "L.C."


1,036 posted on 03/01/2006 1:12:48 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Mamzelle

Usually guys would spell their name, Elly, btw.

So what's your M.O., now that you spilled the beans on your friend Ellsworth. Are you a guy, too?


1,037 posted on 03/01/2006 1:16:15 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: Junior

Yeah, that's probably a word. Interesting... L.C.


1,038 posted on 03/01/2006 1:17:37 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: Junior; Elsie
I always figured it was phoneticizing (is that a word?) of "L.C."

Yup. That's how he explained his screen name a few years ago.

1,039 posted on 03/01/2006 1:19:03 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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"No Sex Ed" placemark


1,040 posted on 03/01/2006 1:23:35 PM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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