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Great Britain: Drive one of these? You're crass and irresponsible, says minister on warpath
The Times (U.K.) ^ | February 27, 2006 | Darren Webster

Posted on 02/27/2006 5:47:39 PM PST by Stoat

Drive one of these? You're crass and irresponsible, says minister on warpath


 
The minister has accused urban drivers of using 4x4s unnecessarily (Dwayne Senior/Sunday)
DRIVERS of gas-guzzling cars are to be penalised under measures being developed to tackle climate change.

Ministers are particularly keen to target the growing number of people who drive large 4X4s around cities and venture off tarmac only when parking on grass verges.

In an interview with The Times, Malcolm Wicks, the Energy Minister, said: “There is crass irresponsibility in some of the larger monstrosities people drive around suburbia and in London. We have to move against this kind of thing.”

 

 
Owners of cars with high emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, face higher taxes. Those who choose hybrid cars and vehicles powered by alternative fuels will benefit from incentives designed to accelerate the shift to “low carbon cars”.

Road transport accounts for a fifth of Britain’s CO2 emissions and is one of the few sectors in which emissions have grown in the past decade.

A record 187,000 4X4s were sold last year, up from 80,000 a decade ago. Small cars accounted for the smallest proportion of new cars since 1999.

The Government is committed to cutting CO2 emissions by 60 per cent by 2050 and believes that tough measures will be needed to persuade drivers to choose greener vehicles.

Transport fuel is a key topic in the Government’s Energy Review, which is considering long-term energy needs. Policy proposals will follow in the summer. The review is being led by Mr Wicks, who said that he was determined to clamp down on manufacturers and owners.

He said that British and European manufacturers had been too slow to develop hybrid cars, which have both a petrol or diesel engine and an electric motor, and use energy normally lost in braking to recharge their batteries.

“I’m disappointed how slow some motor manufacturers have been to follow the lead of the Japanese. Why do I use a Toyota Prius hybrid? Other things being equal, I would like to have bought a car from a British or European manufacturer.”

Mr Wicks said that the small measures the Government had adopted so far, such as offering £1,000 grants to people buying a Prius, were no longer enough.

“Given the very demanding CO2 cuts we must make, we are going to need more than just a series of marginal changes. We are going to need a step change. We will have to ask ‘is it environmentally responsible to be producing cars which are a serious part of the problem?’ There will come a time when it will be irresponsible for those to be on sale.”

Mr Wicks and Stephen Ladyman, the Transport Minister, are considering how to include road transport in the European emissions trading scheme, under which companies have to buy permits to cover any CO2 emissions above a specified level.

Mr Ladyman said: “Somewhere down the supply chain, it will have to be more expensive to supply fuels which are high in CO2.

“The thrust of any policy post-2010 has to be to make people make greener choices.”

But Mr Ladyman admitted that he had not chosen the greenest option himself. He said that he had considered a Prius “for, ooo, about a millisecond”, before opting for an Alfa Romeo GT diesel.

It produces 165 g/km, far better than petrol versions of the car but not as good as the Prius at 104 g/km.

Mr Ladyman said that all cars would become less polluting from 2010 under plans to force suppliers to produce 5 per cent of transport fuel from renewable sources, such as crops or animal fat, by 2010. “We have to look at increasing the proportion to far more than 5 per cent after 2010,” he said.

In the short term, the Government is considering raising vehicle excise duty for gas guzzlers. The Treasury is understood to favour proposals from the RAC Foundation for a new top rate of £200 to cover cars that produce more than 250g of CO2 per kilometre.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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To: Cronos
well, actually, let people buy what they want -- but tax accordingly -- the lighter the car, the lesser the pollution, the lesser the tax. If Joe Bloggs wants to drive a 20 ton gas belcher and is willing to part with a significant amount of quid for the privilege, let 'im

In countries with Socialized healthcare, it may be possible to quantify the safety benefits of bigger cars to the point where a demonstrable benefit can be shown for buying a car optimized for safety instead of emissions.  If smaller cars produce X number of trauma patients per fiscal year which cost the Government Y dollars, and if it can be shown that safer cars ultimately save the Government healthcare costs based upon the production of fewer trauma patients, the bean counters will likely be quite interested in encouraging cars built with safety, not emissions in mind..

41 posted on 02/28/2006 2:23:39 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
One of my "Lottery" dreams is to buy a Ford F-350 4X4. Ship it to Europe and drive it around for a month just to see the locals have a fit. :)
42 posted on 02/28/2006 2:26:23 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: gridlock
I'm almost tempted to buy a Hybrid SUV to make their wittle bitty heads explode.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Actually, buying and Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive badge off eBay and sticking it onto a Hummer H2 sounds like good clean fun...

It does!  Or, perhaps a bumper sticker saying something like "Proudly Powered by Pratt and Whitney: 300 Gallons per Mile And I Don't Care"

43 posted on 02/28/2006 2:28:04 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: BigCinBigD
One of my "Lottery" dreams is to buy a Ford F-350 4X4. Ship it to Europe and drive it around for a month just to see the locals have a fit. :)

I absolutely love the way your mind works and I will vote for you if you would ever like to run for public office   :-)

44 posted on 02/28/2006 2:30:41 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: mylife
In ten years they will be whining about disposal of the hybrids batterys polluting land fills

Last I knew all cars required batteries....

45 posted on 02/28/2006 5:54:18 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Stoat

I agree on virtually every point, and you've got me wrong if you think I'm an all-purpose SUV-basher, or that I think I or you have to 'justify' our choice of car to anyone else but ourselves. I certainly don't. I still think, however, that on the narrower point you raised about relative safety, the advantage you aver is very temporary and illusory. I also believe that, just as we're all responsible for our own safety, it's also perfectly compatible with conservatism to choose not to compromise the safety of our fellow citizens, if we can so choose without disadvantage to ourselves.


46 posted on 02/28/2006 8:44:35 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: popdonnelly
4X4's are causing the World's climate to change?

I own an SUV, but many places I walk to. I can't stand the anti 4X4 group one bit. I was listening to a girl I know rant about SUVs, right after she was talking about her upcoming trip to France. When I asked her if she would like for me to calculate the exact amount of fuel she will consume on her flight there, she shut up real quick.

Most of the ones that love to whine the most tend to be very heavy travelers too. Odd, that libs wouldn't think that through all the way before screaming about it....
47 posted on 02/28/2006 5:24:04 PM PST by proud_yank (Liberalism - The 'Culture of Ignorance'.)
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To: tet68
he would quickly notice that quite often the "winner" in an auto accident (the car and occupants receiving the least damage/injury) will be the bigger and heavier car.

Exactly. And the Power Elite do not want peons like us "winning" against their limos

48 posted on 02/28/2006 5:26:45 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Stoat

Tony Blair should take the initiative and unsign Kyoto, so that Britons won't be restricted for potentially next-to-nothing results.


49 posted on 03/01/2006 9:20:54 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

An excellent idea, although from a purely political point of view he may not see much advantage, if any. He would instantly have the entire European Left jumping down his throat.

It's too bad that politicians are politicians :-)

A move like that would make me start a letter-writing campaign to have him declared elegible for a US Presidential campaign, however :-)


50 posted on 03/02/2006 1:00:34 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Make this idiot live in my town from mid-November to March with the kind of tiny car he thinks is ideal. Better bring a cell phone and have lots of cash to pay for the plows and tow trucks to rescue your tiny car from deep snow.

I arrived from California with a pair of Saturns (SL2 and SW2). Eighteen inches of snow and my cars were trapped in the driveway and cul de sac. The plows don't service the cul de sac. A drunk driver (17 year old hispanic in San Diego) wiped out the SW2. It was replaced with an F-150 4x4. My father purchased a Hyundai Elantra GS for my son in San Diego. That necessitated picking up the Elantra that we had purchased for our son. It was NOT the right car for Pocatello. It would get stuck in the snow roughly 4 times each week. It has been replaced with a Ford Escape 4x4. We have had no more incidents of getting stuck or trapped in the snow.

51 posted on 03/02/2006 1:17:22 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

And it's awfully nice to be able to actually sit comfortably while you're driving, and to know that you won't total your car (and yourself) if you hit a cat, isn't it?
:-)


52 posted on 03/02/2006 1:24:14 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Maybe they'd prefer a Harley?

I've met a couple Harley owners in town. They loved their bikes. I use the past tense because they are both buried in the local cemetery. One was a real hard core biker who rode his bike over the edge of some new road construction. He lost control and slid underneath a tanker truck traveling on the opposite side of the road. The other guy was the owner of a favorite local gun shop. He was a newbie. His love affair with the bike lasted two days before the mortician went to work on him.

I was an avid biker as a teen. I'm lucky to be alive after laying the bike down at 85 MPH in a flat track type turn. My Honda CB175 didn't have enough ground clearance and the dirt road crowned in the middle of the turn. It wasn't real serious. I just ripped all the ligaments around my right knee. It's amazing how much the lower part of your leg weighs when it is only supported by the thigh muscles. Five weeks in a cast made marching season in the high school band a real treat. Having electric start on that bike saved the day. There was no way I could have started it otherwise.

53 posted on 03/02/2006 1:29:49 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Stoat
And it's awfully nice to be able to actually sit comfortably while you're driving, and to know that you won't total your car (and yourself) if you hit a cat, isn't it? :-)

So true. It is extra nice to be in a big vehicle when 2000 lb buffalo are milling around your vehicle on a road inside Yellowstone National Park.

54 posted on 03/02/2006 1:31:42 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Stoat

If I'm not mistaken, thousands have died on our highways driving lighter cars due to CAFE standards.

Now, to be sure, older cars had some design flaws even though they were heavier and safety features and crumple zones, air bags, etc are all good developments but heavier is safer is pretty much the rule.

Even the stats that show SUVs or pickups with average rankings still demonstrate the difference between a light automobile and a heavy one.

It's why I backed out of buying a Sentra or anything like that and am looking at big Oldsmobiles or Buicks. I can ride in luxury, get decent mileage, pay less, pay less in insurance(for both theft and safety reasons) and drive confidently in a large sedan or truck.

F the environment. I'm alive TODAY. I'd like to keep it that way.


55 posted on 03/02/2006 1:39:38 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: proud_yank

Yeah, I had the um, pleasure(and actually it was fun, these aren't all awful people) to play trivia with a group from the ACLU. Beyond the fact that I still haven't finished by degree and knew as much/more than college graduates/practicing attorneys hehe, I did hear something mildly derisive about someone they knew with an SUV.

I assume they all live in the city because even in the ex-urbs of Seattle a 4x4 would help out tremendously (think the camping areas and wilderness that surrounds Seattle and predominates in the Pac NW.)

And some people ARE already whining about the unfair advantage in collisions. This whole thing about the environment is a false front. Notice that anything is popular leftists will engage in a campaign to destroy it. Hell, the leftists at the Center for Science in the Public Interest came out against Chinese food and movie popcorn. They attacked fast food, SUVs, suburbs and pretty much anything they see as too 'typically AMerican'(including my GD guns, dammit!).

Who cares about a few gallons of gas more? I can never get a straight story from these greenies. Do you want to preserve our stores of petrol (not particularly a greenie priority) because the bigger cars don't necessarily produce much more particulate matter. hell, why not ban or tax V8s or cars that require premium fuel AND have V8s (like the Q45 Infiniti?) Why just SUVs? It's just a way to attack American 'overconsumption' in their tiny and damaged brains.


56 posted on 03/02/2006 1:47:25 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Myrddin
And it's awfully nice to be able to actually sit comfortably while you're driving, and to know that you won't total your car (and yourself) if you hit a cat, isn't it? :-)

So true. It is extra nice to be in a big vehicle when 2000 lb buffalo are milling around your vehicle on a road inside Yellowstone National Park.

Even though I live (unfortunately) in The People's Republic of Washington, I know just what you mean!  Out on our Olympic Peninsula, there's a WONDERFUL drive-through animal park called the Olympic Game Farm

Olympic Game Farm

You can drive through it and see (and feed!) lots of delightful animals like bear, zebra, llama, etc.  They also have a 'bison section" that's a turn-off from the regular route.  Lots of scary signs warning drivers about potential vehicle damage from the buffalo, etc. etc. and most drivers don't even go in that part.

The stoatmobile is a fullsize van (NOT a minivan) and I make it a point to take all of my international visitors to the park and especially the bison section.  Everybody feels very safe feeding those giant animals (with HUGE tongues!)  from our high perch, and I've never had any vehicle damage  (they do, however, have a rather disgusting green saliva that tends to get on the car but it washes off easily).

My last trip through was with some friends from Great Britain and they were screaming with delight as we went through the buffalo area.  They talked about it excitedly for the next THREE DAYS.  As we were going through, there was a small sedan behind us, and they became visibly upset with those huge animals towering over their little car.....they zoomed out of that section as fast as they could.

Bigger is better  :-)

57 posted on 03/02/2006 1:51:09 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

"Subjects of the crown shall not be emancipated to realize self gratification through the purchase use of high-consumption sports utility vehicles. Greenhouse gases and all that. What do they think they are? The colonies? It's silly..."

58 posted on 03/02/2006 2:11:44 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Skywalk
If I'm not mistaken, thousands have died on our highways driving lighter cars due to CAFE standards.

Now, to be sure, older cars had some design flaws even though they were heavier and safety features and crumple zones, air bags, etc are all good developments but heavier is safer is pretty much the rule.

Even the stats that show SUVs or pickups with average rankings still demonstrate the difference between a light automobile and a heavy one.

It's why I backed out of buying a Sentra or anything like that and am looking at big Oldsmobiles or Buicks. I can ride in luxury, get decent mileage, pay less, pay less in insurance(for both theft and safety reasons) and drive confidently in a large sedan or truck.

F the environment. I'm alive TODAY. I'd like to keep it that way.

Excellent points all, and I believe that we are on the same wavelength in all areas.  If my business didn't require a van, I would have bought a big old luxury car last time around such as what you are considering.  Supreme comfort and excellent safety, a mountain of power under the hood and a big back seat in the event of any 'unforseen emergency" involving a ladyfriend   :-)

Airbags and such are nice but they aren't a total solution....there's nothing quite like a mammoth amount of quality Detroit iron  :-)

 

 

59 posted on 03/02/2006 2:14:07 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Caipirabob
What do they think they are?

Socialist elitists masquerading as hardworking and caring servants of the people  :-)

60 posted on 03/02/2006 2:17:20 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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