Posted on 02/27/2006 5:47:39 PM PST by Stoat
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In countries with Socialized healthcare, it may be possible to quantify the safety benefits of bigger cars to the point where a demonstrable benefit can be shown for buying a car optimized for safety instead of emissions. If smaller cars produce X number of trauma patients per fiscal year which cost the Government Y dollars, and if it can be shown that safer cars ultimately save the Government healthcare costs based upon the production of fewer trauma patients, the bean counters will likely be quite interested in encouraging cars built with safety, not emissions in mind..
ROTFLMAO!!!
Actually, buying and Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive badge off eBay and sticking it onto a Hummer H2 sounds like good clean fun...
It does! Or, perhaps a bumper sticker saying something like "Proudly Powered by Pratt and Whitney: 300 Gallons per Mile And I Don't Care"
I absolutely love the way your mind works and I will vote for you if you would ever like to run for public office :-)
Last I knew all cars required batteries....
I agree on virtually every point, and you've got me wrong if you think I'm an all-purpose SUV-basher, or that I think I or you have to 'justify' our choice of car to anyone else but ourselves. I certainly don't. I still think, however, that on the narrower point you raised about relative safety, the advantage you aver is very temporary and illusory. I also believe that, just as we're all responsible for our own safety, it's also perfectly compatible with conservatism to choose not to compromise the safety of our fellow citizens, if we can so choose without disadvantage to ourselves.
Exactly. And the Power Elite do not want peons like us "winning" against their limos
Tony Blair should take the initiative and unsign Kyoto, so that Britons won't be restricted for potentially next-to-nothing results.
An excellent idea, although from a purely political point of view he may not see much advantage, if any. He would instantly have the entire European Left jumping down his throat.
It's too bad that politicians are politicians :-)
A move like that would make me start a letter-writing campaign to have him declared elegible for a US Presidential campaign, however :-)
I arrived from California with a pair of Saturns (SL2 and SW2). Eighteen inches of snow and my cars were trapped in the driveway and cul de sac. The plows don't service the cul de sac. A drunk driver (17 year old hispanic in San Diego) wiped out the SW2. It was replaced with an F-150 4x4. My father purchased a Hyundai Elantra GS for my son in San Diego. That necessitated picking up the Elantra that we had purchased for our son. It was NOT the right car for Pocatello. It would get stuck in the snow roughly 4 times each week. It has been replaced with a Ford Escape 4x4. We have had no more incidents of getting stuck or trapped in the snow.
And it's awfully nice to be able to actually sit comfortably while you're driving, and to know that you won't total your car (and yourself) if you hit a cat, isn't it?
:-)
I've met a couple Harley owners in town. They loved their bikes. I use the past tense because they are both buried in the local cemetery. One was a real hard core biker who rode his bike over the edge of some new road construction. He lost control and slid underneath a tanker truck traveling on the opposite side of the road. The other guy was the owner of a favorite local gun shop. He was a newbie. His love affair with the bike lasted two days before the mortician went to work on him.
I was an avid biker as a teen. I'm lucky to be alive after laying the bike down at 85 MPH in a flat track type turn. My Honda CB175 didn't have enough ground clearance and the dirt road crowned in the middle of the turn. It wasn't real serious. I just ripped all the ligaments around my right knee. It's amazing how much the lower part of your leg weighs when it is only supported by the thigh muscles. Five weeks in a cast made marching season in the high school band a real treat. Having electric start on that bike saved the day. There was no way I could have started it otherwise.
So true. It is extra nice to be in a big vehicle when 2000 lb buffalo are milling around your vehicle on a road inside Yellowstone National Park.
If I'm not mistaken, thousands have died on our highways driving lighter cars due to CAFE standards.
Now, to be sure, older cars had some design flaws even though they were heavier and safety features and crumple zones, air bags, etc are all good developments but heavier is safer is pretty much the rule.
Even the stats that show SUVs or pickups with average rankings still demonstrate the difference between a light automobile and a heavy one.
It's why I backed out of buying a Sentra or anything like that and am looking at big Oldsmobiles or Buicks. I can ride in luxury, get decent mileage, pay less, pay less in insurance(for both theft and safety reasons) and drive confidently in a large sedan or truck.
F the environment. I'm alive TODAY. I'd like to keep it that way.
Yeah, I had the um, pleasure(and actually it was fun, these aren't all awful people) to play trivia with a group from the ACLU. Beyond the fact that I still haven't finished by degree and knew as much/more than college graduates/practicing attorneys hehe, I did hear something mildly derisive about someone they knew with an SUV.
I assume they all live in the city because even in the ex-urbs of Seattle a 4x4 would help out tremendously (think the camping areas and wilderness that surrounds Seattle and predominates in the Pac NW.)
And some people ARE already whining about the unfair advantage in collisions. This whole thing about the environment is a false front. Notice that anything is popular leftists will engage in a campaign to destroy it. Hell, the leftists at the Center for Science in the Public Interest came out against Chinese food and movie popcorn. They attacked fast food, SUVs, suburbs and pretty much anything they see as too 'typically AMerican'(including my GD guns, dammit!).
Who cares about a few gallons of gas more? I can never get a straight story from these greenies. Do you want to preserve our stores of petrol (not particularly a greenie priority) because the bigger cars don't necessarily produce much more particulate matter. hell, why not ban or tax V8s or cars that require premium fuel AND have V8s (like the Q45 Infiniti?) Why just SUVs? It's just a way to attack American 'overconsumption' in their tiny and damaged brains.
So true. It is extra nice to be in a big vehicle when 2000 lb buffalo are milling around your vehicle on a road inside Yellowstone National Park.
Even though I live (unfortunately) in The People's Republic of Washington, I know just what you mean! Out on our Olympic Peninsula, there's a WONDERFUL drive-through animal park called the Olympic Game Farm
You can drive through it and see (and feed!) lots of delightful animals like bear, zebra, llama, etc. They also have a 'bison section" that's a turn-off from the regular route. Lots of scary signs warning drivers about potential vehicle damage from the buffalo, etc. etc. and most drivers don't even go in that part.
The stoatmobile is a fullsize van (NOT a minivan) and I make it a point to take all of my international visitors to the park and especially the bison section. Everybody feels very safe feeding those giant animals (with HUGE tongues!) from our high perch, and I've never had any vehicle damage (they do, however, have a rather disgusting green saliva that tends to get on the car but it washes off easily).
My last trip through was with some friends from Great Britain and they were screaming with delight as we went through the buffalo area. They talked about it excitedly for the next THREE DAYS. As we were going through, there was a small sedan behind us, and they became visibly upset with those huge animals towering over their little car.....they zoomed out of that section as fast as they could.
Bigger is better :-)
"Subjects of the crown shall not be emancipated to realize self gratification through the purchase use of high-consumption sports utility vehicles. Greenhouse gases and all that. What do they think they are? The colonies? It's silly..."
Excellent points all, and I believe that we are on the same wavelength in all areas. If my business didn't require a van, I would have bought a big old luxury car last time around such as what you are considering. Supreme comfort and excellent safety, a mountain of power under the hood and a big back seat in the event of any 'unforseen emergency" involving a ladyfriend :-)
Airbags and such are nice but they aren't a total solution....there's nothing quite like a mammoth amount of quality Detroit iron :-)
Socialist elitists masquerading as hardworking and caring servants of the people :-)
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