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Growing criticism puzzles many in shipping industry
The Baltimore Sun ^ | February 22, 2006 | Meredith Cohn

Posted on 02/22/2006 7:04:15 AM PST by new yorker 77

'We haven't done a good job of explaining how we work'

Just about any given time, it's possible to find a Greek-owned ship flying a Liberian flag, employing a Filipino crew and carrying cargo from China into a U.S. port terminal managed by a British company that hires American longshoremen.

This is how Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target and others get their socks and stereos for the U.S. consumer.

So, some in the shipping industry have been taken aback in the past week by growing criticism in Washington and in state capitals to a deal that would transfer control over some operations in several major U.S. ports from a British company to one owned by the government of Dubai.

"To be fair, we're on the edge of the world and we haven't done a good job explaining how we work, so people are confused by it," said Art Wong, a spokesman for the port of Long Beach, near Los Angeles.

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In the major U.S. ports where Dubai Ports World would operate terminals - Baltimore, New York, New Jersey, Miami, New Orleans and Philadelphia - many of the shipping lines, the stevedores that load and unload ships and terminal operators have foreign owners.

The top 10 containership fleets are based in Denmark, Switzerland, Taiwan, China, Germany, France, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore, said Peter S. Shaerf, managing director of AMA Capital Partners LLC, a merchant banking firm that focuses on the maritime and transportation industries. All call on U.S. ports, and some of the shipping lines manage terminals.

Other terminal operators with U.S. operations are based in England, Denmark and Hong Kong.

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(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dpw; dubai
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To: new yorker 77
In the major U.S. ports where Dubai Ports World would operate terminals - Baltimore, New York, New Jersey, Miami, New Orleans and Philadelphia - many of the shipping lines, the stevedores that load and unload ships and terminal operators have foreign owners.

You mean the Mayor of New York have to give the Port of New York to the A-Rrabs?

The operant term is operate terminals not operate ports.

21 posted on 02/22/2006 8:04:54 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: new yorker 77

I think the right is being played here like a bunch of suck-egg mules. The left has defined the issue and the right...jerked its knee. Most, if not all, of the cogent, rational arguments (WSJ for example) I've read about this leads me to think the matter has been mostly a distortion and is being exploited. (Gosh, how new is that?) Interestingly, the ones fuming over this matter haven't said much that is rational...in fact they've been pretty churlish...which is pretty much a waste of time. Insults don't persuade.


22 posted on 02/22/2006 8:05:19 AM PST by macamadamia
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To: McGavin999
Of course, every time they try to get the word out the media attacks them so they're in sort of a catch 22 position.

Better to let the RATS and MSM show their ignorance.

23 posted on 02/22/2006 8:09:41 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: Mike Darancette

Don't kid yourself. The spineless Pubbies are freaking about the political fallout. Dubya will likely suffer again politically, as with Miers. At least in that case he was punished for something that actually transpired and was presented accurately. This cyberlynching is disgusting.


24 posted on 02/22/2006 8:14:22 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: macamadamia; MNJohnnie; onyx; Indy Pendance; brothers4thID; McGavin999; Howlin
The left has defined the issue and the right...jerked its knee. Most, if not all, of the cogent, rational arguments (WSJ for example) I've read about this leads me to think the matter has been mostly a distortion and is being exploited. (Gosh, how new is that?) Interestingly, the ones fuming over this matter haven't said much that is rational...in fact they've been pretty churlish...which is pretty much a waste of time. Insults don't persuade.

Well said. Isn't it curious how few of the Chicken Littles seem to have made their way onto this thread?

25 posted on 02/22/2006 8:15:48 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
This cyberlynching is disgusting.

And is based on ignorance. My first response on this issue days ago when asked about the cause of the the problem was "Bigotry".

The problem for the RATS is that both former RAT presidents are in favor. When the Pubbies shift gears then they show trust in Bush.

26 posted on 02/22/2006 8:22:18 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: angkor
This is a red herring issue driven entirely by emotion.
27 posted on 02/22/2006 8:22:51 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: angkor

The bottom line for me is,

"IF CHUCKIE SCHUMER IS AGAINST IT, I'M FOR IT"


28 posted on 02/22/2006 8:23:04 AM PST by poncho67
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To: Mike Darancette
The latest article spinning 'em up is an AP article saying Bush didn't know about this deal until after it was approved. Duh! That's exactly how the approval process is supposed to work, unless an extended investigation is request. Then the President is required to send a report to Congress, IIRC. Let me go dig up the link.
29 posted on 02/22/2006 8:24:32 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: ronnied
There's a reason there is no U.S. company managing these ports and it's because no such company exists.

Hogwash. I'm really tired of this shibboleth being trotted out, along with all the other mendacious talking points.

30 posted on 02/22/2006 8:26:37 AM PST by atlaw
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To: Mike Darancette; new yorker 77
Here's the Treasury Dept's web page outlining this review committee - CFIUS.

http://www.treasury.gov/offices/international-affairs/exon-florio/

In short, the President has the authority to block a merger/acquisition if certain criteria are met. If they're not met, no need for the Prez to even be involved. This statute specifically mentions the President's role can be delegated.

31 posted on 02/22/2006 8:32:34 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: atlaw
Hogwash. I'm really tired of this shibboleth being trotted out, along with all the other mendacious talking points.

That's okay. We're tired of all the shrieking, hyperventilating freaks that don't stop, no matter how many times facts are put in front of them.

Heck, I expect some of them to be protesting Muslim cartoons any day now.

32 posted on 02/22/2006 8:36:14 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Mike Darancette

The ports deal is a red herring that is flourishing because there isn't anything better to do. If the Olympics were half-way interesting, this wouldn't even be on the front-page. It's gonna be a hard month or so until Spring training and Easter break gets people thinking about going outdoors and getting some fresh air & exercise.


33 posted on 02/22/2006 8:44:07 AM PST by lemura
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To: poncho67
"IF CHUCKIE SCHUMER IS AGAINST IT, I'M FOR IT"

Laura Ingraham said when she heard that JIMMY CARTER WAS FOR IT, SHE WAS AGAINST IT.

I think the best thing is to wait and learn.

34 posted on 02/22/2006 8:44:53 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Coop

Well, thus far the most common talking points I've run across are (1) there are no domestic terminal operators who can take over P&O's allegedly enormous North American operations, (2) DP World won't have any responsibility for security, and (3) this deal was made public more than two years ago and nobody complained.

I have no idea who's floating these falsehoods, but it's pretty brazen.


35 posted on 02/22/2006 8:51:06 AM PST by atlaw
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To: new yorker 77

Great article which puts a bit of perspective and context on the matter.

The hysteria by the Right makes many of them look like the left, knee jerk wise anyway.


36 posted on 02/22/2006 9:05:56 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: atlaw
(1) there are no domestic terminal operators who can take over P&O's allegedly enormous North American operations, (2) DP World won't have any responsibility for security, and (3) this deal was made public more than two years ago and nobody complained.

I have heard #1 and don't know if it's true or false - but living in "contractor world" I do know many complex jobs only have a few qualified competitors. This could be the case here, I don't know.

#2 is essentially true - if we're talking about security of the containers (which is what most are hyperventilating about). That will still be handled by Customs/DHS. DP World does have some physical security tasks - but even that is still overseen by the U.S. government.

I don't know, but I can believe #3, at least as far as first announcing an intent to acquire another firm. Some of those acquisitions take forever and a year. But it's safe to say it did not come to Congress' attention until very recently.

37 posted on 02/22/2006 9:11:19 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Here's the Treasury Dept's web page outlining this review committee - CFIUS.

Reform CFIUS to Stop Foreign Raiders from Dismantling the Defense Industrial Base

38 posted on 02/22/2006 9:25:27 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: new yorker 77
Thanks for posting this.

I fully admit I'm one of those in hysterics over this, and yes, it's due in large part to my ignorance as to how ports in the US are run, how security is handled, etc. The more I read on FR, the calmer I become. Thank God for FR.

I still find it disturbing though how Bush said he was unaware of the deal until a few days ago. That shows a lack of attention to detail in his own administration. I suppose one could argue that Bush can't be expected to know every tiny thing that occurs in his administration, but this doesn't seem to qualify as a tiny detail. He should have known better.

Now it's going to be tough to calm these waters, due to his admitted ignorance and also due to the US public's own ignorance. Again though, this should have been "red flagged" in some way, and the President briefed months ago about it, so he'd be prepared for the eventual controversy.

Oh well, I'm just happy to be learning how this won't be the "open door to terrorism" that I've been fearing. I suppose I should be thankful for that at least.
39 posted on 02/22/2006 9:39:19 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: atlaw
Hogwash. I'm really tired of this shibboleth being trotted out, along with all the other mendacious talking points.

Tell me o'enlightened one, the name of the US company that didn't get a chance to bid on this. I'll wait here.

40 posted on 02/22/2006 9:40:29 AM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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