I was going to post a comparison between the three points but all I got when I did a Google search on Siberian Points was a dog. Here are the other two. I wonder why no Siberian point is shown?
SOLUTREAN POINTS.
CLOVIS POINTS
Posted on 02/19/2006 9:08:52 PM PST by anymouse
ST. LOUIS—The first humans to spread across North America may have been seal hunters from France and Spain.
This runs counter to the long-held belief that the first human entry into the Americas was a crossing of a land-ice bridge that spanned the Bering Strait about 13,500 years ago.
The new thinking was outlined here Sunday at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
The tools don’t match
Recent studies have suggested that the glaciers that helped form the bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska began receding around 17,000 to 13,000 years ago, leaving very little chance that people walked from one continent to the other.
Also, when archaeologist Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian Institution places American spearheads, called Clovis points, side-by-side with Siberian points, he sees a divergence of many characteristics.
Instead, Stanford said today, Clovis points match up much closer with Solutrean style tools, which researchers date to about 19,000 years ago. This suggests that the American people making Clovis points made Solutrean points before that.
There’s just one problem with this hypothesis—Solutrean toolmakers lived in France and Spain. Scientists know of no land-ice bridge that spanned that entire gap.
The lost hunting party
Stanford has an idea for how humans crossed the Atlantic, though—boats. Art from that era indicates that Solutrean populations in northern Spain were hunting marine animals, such as seals, walrus, and tuna.
They may have even made their way into the floating ice chunks that unite immense harp seal populations in Canada and Europe each year. Four million seals, Stanford said, would look like a pretty good meal to hungry European hunters, who might have ventured into the ice flows much the same way that the Inuit in Alaska and Greenland do today.
Inuit use large, open hunting boats constructed from animal skins for longer trips or big hunts. These boats, called umiaq, can hold a dozen adults, as well as several children, dead seals or walruses, and even dog-sled teams. Inuit have been building these boats for thousands of years, and Stanford believes that Solutrean people may have used a similar design.
It’s possible that some groups of these hunters ventured out as far as Iceland, where they may have gotten caught up in the prevailing currents and were carried to North America.
“You get three boats loaded up like this and you would have a viable population,” Stanford said. “You could actually get a whole bunch of people washing up on Nova Scotia.”
Some scientists believe that the Solutrean peoples were responsible for much of the cave art in Europe. Opponents of Stanford’s work ask why, then, would these people stop producing art once they made it to North America?
“I don’t know,” Stanford said. “But you’re looking at a long distance inland, 100 miles or so, before they would get to caves to do art in.”
I was going to post a comparison between the three points but all I got when I did a Google search on Siberian Points was a dog. Here are the other two. I wonder why no Siberian point is shown?
SOLUTREAN POINTS.
CLOVIS POINTS
That was 9,300 year old Kennewick Man and he was Ainu/Polynesian not Caucasian based on preliminary evaluation. Scientists won their case and are presently studying him. Hopefully, they'll find viable DNA. I'm expecting some results/reports this year.
In response to the "Pacific Islander" category on the last census I elected to provide the other category of "Atlantic Islander" in honor of my British roots.
Early Europeans didn't leave genetic descendents in North America. North American genetic strains came over the Bering Sea, and then moved south into Central and South America.
The genes don't lie.
Why would it be remarkable in any way if one tribe killed off a tribe of strangers? Isn't that the history of mankind?
"I think maybe you are a little bit biased in youre history...."
I think you're perhaps being willfully biased in your views of the same.
Certainly, any civilization that lasted as long as Egypt, China or the Central American Empires must, by definition, have a superior form of government. However, that term 'superior' is relative; you don't know what came before it, and you cannot speculate on what would have evolved from it given time and technological advances. You also could not recreate those sorts of governments in the modern world. Circumstances, scientific advancement, philosophical and technologal changes would make the concept of a Pharoh impossible today.
So what if the Incas distributed food to everyone? How many died at the whim of the 'Emperor' or religious authority? The underlying mechanism that made the socity run was death, often voluntary, and always considered a religious imperative.
So what if the Chinese managed to create the worlds first civil service and unified an empire consisting of some 26 racial sub-groups and languages? The underlying mechanism of that society was overwhelming physical force in the name of elevating a single human being to god-like status.
So what if Egypt left behind a storied past of architechural wonders? Almost all of them are related to death, and quite specifically, to the death of the aristocracy, not the common man. Had the labor that went into their construction been used to benefit the common people, or was redirected inbto other areas, who knows what Egypt could have become? The underlying mechanism for Egyptian society was still death-worship.
I think perhaps, we're splitting hairs on the issue of what is the most desirable and what can be accomplished, given the limitations mankind has to suffer with at any given time.
I'll agree with Churchill when he said "Democracy is the least worst form of government devised by man..."
My policy is that since was born in America, I'm a Native American.
There were the Fugawes, The Sosumis, the Wahatsitouyas..
"Kennewick Man"
I wonder if any surviors of Atlantis came here??
Between 19,000 and 13,000 years ago the great ice sheets made the North Atlantic currents far, far different from today. For example, pollen deposits in North Africa showed that the Gulf Stream flowed there, rather than Northwestern Europe. Due to the lowered sea levels, the continuental shelves of both North America, Europe and Africa were land. The Grand Banks off of Canada would have been dry land, four times the size of today's Newfoundland.
The winter ice shelf/ice pack line would have extended from this Grand Banks land to Iberia with only 1500 miles of ocean to travel. Hunters preying on seals and other aquuatic species could have easily beached on ice floes or shelves while persuing game.
Perhaps some of them made it to the Grand Banks. Travelling further westward, they would have encountered more ice, which was not strange to them at all. Eventually, they would have reached continental North America. A turn southward (perhaps looking for harborage during a storm) would have led them to the Virginia/Carolina beaches, ice free during the ice ages.
I always put "Afican-American" since all people originated from Africa.
So whoever the settlers were, they brought SUV's with them that caused the global warming to melt all that ice?
What I was ANGRY about, was your perfidious "LOL". It was the reply of someone who knows less than nothing whatsoever about all of the studies on KENWICK MAN and the others found in America and other countries in this hemisphere, that says that this is exactly what happened.
But, I suppose that you'd rather just laugh at a post, that states FACTS, then argue about it, then do anything at all, which would require you to forgo your incorrect suppositions.
I never said that it was "remarkable". Yes, it IS exactly what all of mankind did.
You are correct.
Even if one could prove conclusively that Europeans were the first settlers of North America, the PC crowd wouldn't care.
For them, its essential that "native Americans" be the first settlers.
The Ainu are ancestors of the Jomon which I think produced the Ainu, Mongoloid and Caucasians. The oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is 10k years old.
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