Posted on 02/17/2006 5:47:19 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
I don't know how many of you get the Federalist Patriot report via email, but it is a great source of conservative news and opinion that all of you should get.
You can find their site at:
http://patriotpost.us/
Anyway, even though I support them, they sent out an email today that bashed Abe Lincoln fiercely. I was so moved to annoyance by their biased and ill thought out email that I had to write them and say how disappointed I was.
You can go to their site and see the anti-Lincoln screed that they put out to know exactly what I am replying to if you desire to do so.
Now, I know some of you freepers are primo confederate apologists so I thought this would stir debate on freerepublic!!
Now, let the fur fly as we KNOW it must...
free dixie,sw
What's voluntary? States don't join the Union, they are admitted. And, constitutionally, they can be admitted without any input from the people in the territory at all. Likewise, the people of the territory can petition till the cows come home and they will become a state only when Congress allows them to.
DUH...It's being forced to leave against your will!
DUH...and where does the Constitution say that the states cannot do that?
Davis was at Transylvania between 1821 and 1824. That would mean that he was dating Mary Todd when she was a sexy 3 to 6 year old.
I should point out that Lincoln didn't take a single southern state in 1861 and still won with almost 60% of the electoral vote. Had the southern states voted as a block for McClellan in 1864 then Lincoln still would have won 212 to 109.
Jefferson Davis, on the other hand, was appointed in February 1861 and ran unopposed the following November. How legitimate is that?
When you merely walk out on the other party without a divorce then it's called abandonment. When you shoot their property up on your way out the door then it's called something else entirely.
Then don't shoot up forts that don't belong to you.
"Deifying"?
How did I do that?
Along with your lack of understanding about history, you have trouble with definitions!
It doesn't. Nor does it say they can.
That's because the States are FREE TO CHOOSE if they stay OR leave the compact. The federal government has NO say-so either way.
That's what makes it VOLUNTARY!
Not in the least. Davis did the best he could do with what he had. Lincoln had no such excuse.
Yes. If the Constitution cannot compel a state to remain in the Union, it stands to reason that the same applies in reverse.
NS:
CJ is one of the most honest people I know. I am quite sure that he believes what he believes, just as I do.
Just because you disagree, it soesn't make him dishonest.
(or YOU for that matter, even though WE disagree)
And...like in all divorces, there is a spouse that claims
to own property that they don't have a right to.
Like the Union claiming Ft. Sumter :)
Yes.
Either the two states would have eventually come around and joined, or they would have disintegrated, becoming new territory for the Union.
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Just MHO. :-)
Well, their name WAS on the deed.
Samuel Adams to Elbridge Gerry
The Sovereignty of the State extends over every part of its Territory. The federal Constitution expresses the same Idea in Sec. 8, Art. 1. A Power is therein given to Congress "to exercise like Authority," that is to exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, "over all places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature in which the same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, and other needful Buildings," among which Light-houses may be included. Is it not the plain Conclusion from this Clause in the Compact, that Congress have not the Right to exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, nor even to purchase or controul any part of the Territory within a State for the Erection of needful Buildings unless it has the Consent of its Legislature.
Seems like if they had to be invited, they could also be asked to leave.
I will point out that the Constitution does not say that states cannot secede. Nor does it say that they can. So if in your view states can secede at will then that must mean that they can be booted out at will, too.
That's because the States are FREE TO CHOOSE if they stay OR leave the compact. The federal government has NO say-so either way.
That is flat out ridiculous. Congress says that the states can join in the first place. I would suggest that that indicates Congress has the only say if the enter the compact. Why shouldn't they have a say is the state wants to leave, too?
How do you figure?
But having given up all claim to the property to begin with they were in no position to demand its return.
Sumter wasn't joint property.
It was theirs to begin with.
Once the contract was dissolved, the terms of the contract were no longer in force.
The State no longer had the legal obligation to recognize the entity of the United States within its own borders. It returned to a SOVERGIN State.
That made Sumner the State's property illegally occupied.
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