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Designed to Create Controversy: 40% of UCSD Freshmen Students Skeptical of Evolution
San Diego Union Tribube ^ | 02/17/2006 | Bruce Lieberman

Posted on 02/17/2006 10:36:42 AM PST by SirLinksalot

Designed to create controversy

Courts, school boards and public opinion have made evolution a hot topic

By Bruce Lieberman UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER February 16, 2006

UC San Diego biologist Ajit Varki doesn't want to debate evolution. Doing that, he said, would make people think there's something to debate.

For him, rejecting evolution is like trying to understand chemistry without the Periodic Table of the Elements or arguing that Earth is flat.

“Everybody can have their own view of faith and origins and so on,” Varki said. “But when it comes to science, you've got to deal with facts.”

Although researchers such as Varki embrace evolution, polls show that nearly half of the American public rejects it, prefering to believe God created humans at some point in the past 10,000 years. So the national debate about the teaching of evolution carries on. In recent months, a convergence of school-board disagreements, court cases and public pronouncements by conservative legislators have again made evolution a hot topic in the American cultural landscape.

As controversies about evolution have erupted at public schools in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Kansas, California and elsewhere, President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and other political leaders have argued that evolution should be balanced with other views.

Acknowledging the high-profile discord, the American Association for the Advancement of Science will hold several panel discussions on evolution at its annual meeting, which began today in St. Louis. The association is the world's largest general scientific group.

The conference's focus on evolution follows the association's declaration in December that evolution-related discoveries in 2005 were the science world's “Breakthrough of the Year.”

Also in December, a federal judge ruled that it was unconstitutional for a school district in Dover, Pa., to present intelligent design as an alternative to evolution in high school biology classes.

Supporters of intelligent design argue that complexities seen in nature cannot be explained by evolution, which refers to a natural process of genetic changes that leads to new species over time. They insist that an intelligent designer brings about the phenomena, though their studies make no conclusions about the identity of this designer.

More than 150 years after Charles Darwin proposed his theory of evolution, millions of Americans believe there's scant evidence for it. That alarms biologists such as Varki, who wonder how Americans can so readily disregard more than a century of scientific advancements.

“I know that a lot of scientists are very frustrated about it,” Varki said. “On the other hand, I think for us individually to go out and try to deal with it is hopeless.”

Resurgent interest

Many issues divide Americans, but evolution doesn't have to be one of them, some scientists and historians said.

Lost in today's polarizing debates about evolution is a recognition that many scientists are religious people and many religious people respect the value of science, said Naomi Oreskes, a historian at the University of California San Diego.

“The bigger issue here is what is and isn't science,” Kohn said. “There's no scientist who's going to prove or disprove the existence of God. It's just a different realm.”

The evolution debate has huge implications. At stake are decisions on how public schools should teach children about the origin of humans, religion's place in public life and whether Americans believe in the ability of science to describe the natural world.

Why does the question of how humans came to be still generate conflict in America, and why has it received greater attention in the past year? The answer has a lot to do with the nation's religious heritage, Americans' suspicion of authority and appeal for a sense of fairness, their unfamiliarity with science, and election politics, historians and social scientists said.

The Dover court decision was a mere “bump in the road” for people who aim to discredit evolution, said scholars who have studied the controversy. Proponents of intelligent design agree.

“We're getting more calls, more e-mails . . . (and) a lot more requests from students, especially college-age students who are looking at going into the sciences,” said Robert L. Crowther, a spokesman with the Discovery Institute, a Seattle group that promotes intelligent design.

“Rather than be the nail in the coffin,” Crowther said, “this decision and the whole trial itself has really ignited the issue.”

Roots of tension

The United States is a predominantly religious country with tens of millions of people who believe deeply that God created human beings. But it also has a Constitution that calls for the separation of church and state.

“American society has always had a kind of uneasy compromise between a deep religious conviction on the part of the American people, and also a constitutional commitment to the nonestablishment of religion,” Oreskes said. “I think those things have always lived in tension.”

The evolution controversy also continues to be fueled by Americans' predisposition to question authority, Oreskes said. U.S. scientists displayed this trait in the late 19th century when they broke from European ideas of how science should be conducted.

“We had this wonderful anti-authoritarian attitude that made it possible for us to make new innovations and be more open-minded,” Oreskes said. “Well, guess what? That comes home to roost, because it's not scientists in America who are anti-authoritarian, it's Americans in general.”

Today, the science establishment is perceived by many as just another object of authority that's worthy of suspicion, she said.

While scientists have refused to speak with believers of intelligent design and creation science, politicians have long courted them, said Jon D. Miller, a professor at Northwestern University Medical School who studies the public's understanding of science. Miller is the organizer of “Science Under Attack,” a Saturday session at the conference in St. Louis.

In his view, the struggle over teaching evolution in schools has been fueled largely by religious conservatives hoping to secure office in Republican-dominated states.

“There's a very pragmatic reason why these (debates) reappear, and it's not at all accidental that they appear right before major primary elections,” Miller said. “These issues become in right-wing politics a very powerful tool, because it's a way of mobilizing a base. . . . It's a litmus test, and besides, it's kind of a throwaway issue. It doesn't really make any economic difference to anybody.”

The tactic is hardly new in American politics, Miller said. For years, he noted, Democrats in the South exploited the politics of race to win elections.

By advocating that all sides of the human-origin issue be given equal time, Bush, Frist and other legislators appeal to Americans' sense of fairness and justice, social scientists said.

“It's a wonderful cultural trait, and I think having town meetings and participatory democracy – that's just wonderful, and it's completely irrelevant to science,” said Eugenie C. Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland. The nonprofit group works to preserve the teaching of evolution in public schools.

Scientific knowledge is not built on a sea of opinions, researchers said, but on an accumulation of evidence that supports or overturns ideas about how the world functions.

“People learned in second grade that science is observational, science is experimental, science is repeatable,” Scott said. “They learn this set of characteristics someplace in junior high or high school, but they kind of miss the big picture.”

Raising defenses Nicholas Spitzer, a neuroscientist at UCSD, draws a sharp distinction between science and intelligent design. “The thing that science does is it allows an experimental approach,” he said. “The thing that intelligent design does is to take experiment off the table.”

Proponents of intelligent design have said all they want is a fair hearing. Yet no organizer of the science conference in St. Louis contacted the Discovery Institute – the group that espouses intelligent design – to see if it wanted to participate in the discussions about evolution, Crowther said.

That's disappointing for Josh Norton, a UCSD senior and head of an intelligent-design club on campus.

“They're not objectively interacting with the argument,” said Norton, a math and philosophy major. “We don't have anyone going to (the conference) to talk about intelligent design, and that bothers me.”

Norton has had difficulty getting professors at his university to talk about the subject. He said one of them dismissed his request by saying, “there's nothing intelligent in intelligent design.”

Norton added: “That's the most frustrating of all. I may have a false belief . . . but I wish someone would at least show me why.”

At UCSD, which is known for its strength in science and engineering, faculty members are realizing they need to pay more attention to the controversy.

Two years ago, a UCSD survey found that 40 percent of incoming freshmen to the university's Sixth College – geared toward educating students for a high-tech 21st century – do not believe in evolution

, said the college's provost, Gabriele Wienhausen.

The university now requires students who major in biology to complete a course in biological evolution, Kohn said. The policy became effective with freshmen who enrolled last fall. Professors had discussed the change for years, he said, but the Sixth College poll made it more urgent.

“Our own faculty has gotten sensitized to the issue that there's a bunch of people that just don't get it,” Kohn said.

He doesn't expect much progress in resolving the evolution debate anytime soon.

“I think there is a deep-seated desire to believe that humans are special, and that the Earth is our dominion rather than we're just another endpoint among all the other endpoints of evolution,” Kohn said.


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KEYWORDS: 40; crevo; crevolist; evolution; hottopic; ofcourse; smartkids; ucsd
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To: mlc9852

156, former member of MENSA, and I believe in evolution.

God created it.


41 posted on 02/17/2006 1:33:05 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: MonroeDNA

You win.


42 posted on 02/17/2006 1:36:27 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: JamesP81

Mine is significantly higher, and I am way beyond being skeptical of evolution.


43 posted on 02/17/2006 1:44:14 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: MonroeDNA

I once inquired about being in the Orange County Mensa group. When I told the Director my GRE scores, he said that I shouldn't apply for Mensa because my score was too high. He suggested something like the "International Society for Philosophical Inquiry" (?). They are only for the 99.9% in IQ. That was about 20 years ago. I ended up not applying to either. I got a social life in other surroundings. Anyway, count me as another one of those idiot people who just doesn't see the evidence for speciation (macro-evolution). I just don't have enough faith to believe in strictly materialistic evolution.


44 posted on 02/17/2006 1:54:56 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: Jhohanna
.... when you mesh Chemistry, Geology, Biology, Genetics, and Quantum Mechanics - evolution all completely adds up.

Excuse me? Quantum Mechanics?

Perhaps we can start with something very simple. Tell me, in whatever quantum terms you prefer, what the distinction is between a rock and a rabbit.

This should be interesting...

45 posted on 02/17/2006 3:12:35 PM PST by csense
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To: csense

Well, the Bohr model is what the periodic table of element is made up of - the basis of chemistry. Then you have molecular and organic chemistry that goes down to the same detail, but in life.

That's what I see though.

Obviously something sparked life as it began... we don't know yet what that is. But I'm pretty sure within 20 years we will. I don't think there's a limit on what we can learn.

But that's just me.


46 posted on 02/17/2006 5:10:57 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: DeweyCA
Generally speaking, Mensa people don't use IQ scores or any equivalent to back up their positions. It's not a substantive argument. /p>
47 posted on 02/17/2006 5:54:07 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: SirLinksalot
“I think there is a deep-seated desire to believe that humans are special, and that the Earth is our dominion rather than we're just another endpoint among all the other endpoints of evolution,” Kohn said.

LOL, these guys have simply never been socialized.

48 posted on 02/17/2006 5:57:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Jhohanna

Abiogenesis, as we are repeatedly reminded, is irrelevant to the theory of evolution, and you didn't even come close to answering my query. Thank you for your civil response though.


49 posted on 02/17/2006 8:22:32 PM PST by csense
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To: GOP Jedi
See, the reason they call it the theory of evolution is because it isn't a fact, sparky.

Well, I see someone else has shown up to showcase their ignorance of scientific terminology.
50 posted on 02/17/2006 9:12:16 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: SirLinksalot

Only 40%? There must have been another 50% who were lying.


51 posted on 02/17/2006 9:13:44 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: SirLinksalot

Norton has had difficulty getting professors at his university to talk about the subject. He said one of them dismissed his request by saying, “there's nothing intelligent in intelligent design.”

Note to Mr. Norton: In the case of this particular professor, what he said is true - because intelligence certainly skipped him.


52 posted on 02/17/2006 9:15:47 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: DennisR
Only 40%? There must have been another 50% who were lying.

Why do you say this?
53 posted on 02/17/2006 9:17:10 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: csense; Jhohanna
Tell me, in whatever quantum terms you prefer, what the distinction is between a rock and a rabbit.

I think the poster responded your question. The distinction made was that a rabbit is alive, but a rock is not.

What is the answer?

54 posted on 02/17/2006 9:37:15 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Make that: I think the poster responded to your question.
55 posted on 02/17/2006 9:39:21 PM PST by Ken H
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To: phelanw
[“I think there is a deep-seated desire to believe that humans are special, and that the Earth is our dominion rather than we're just another endpoint among all the other endpoints of evolution,” Kohn said.]

Some of these evolutionists are poor logicians.

You're not doing too well yourself:

If the universe is ateleological, there are no endpoints. The man's statement is self-contradictory.

No, it isn't, because a) you're talking about a different sort of "endpoint" than he is, and b) even by your own version, your claim is simply a statement of your belief, and not something that you have managed to establish or is so self-evident that it warrants your flat declaration that a statement about ateological endpoints would be on its face oxymoronic.

56 posted on 02/17/2006 9:50:21 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ken H
I think the poster responded your question. The distinction made was that a rabbit is alive, but a rock is not.

I suppose then that an important distinction is that a rabbit has specific biochemical processes occuring within its components while a rock does not (while organic material could exist within a rock, the organic material would itself not be a part of the rock).
57 posted on 02/17/2006 9:53:23 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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What is the distinction between a rabbit and a rock?

"A rabbit floats!"

"Yeah, it floats!"

58 posted on 02/17/2006 10:07:33 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

You're stating the obvious. The question is, can you make such a distinction at the quantum level.


59 posted on 02/17/2006 10:28:45 PM PST by csense
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To: Ichneumon
No, it isn't, because a) you're talking about a different sort of "endpoint" than he is, and b) even by your own version, your claim is simply a statement of your belief, and not something that you have managed to establish or is so self-evident that it warrants your flat declaration that a statement about ateological endpoints would be on its face oxymoronic.

Telos is Greek for end or purpose. If the universe is teleological then its development is toward a purpose or end. That is central premise -- a self evident "if-then statement" -- of Aristotelean metaphysics. Aristotelean metaphysics prevailed until positivism supplanted it with the notion of an ateleological universe.

The central theses of Darwin's work are descent with modification and natural selection. My friends in the biology department, evolutionists all, tell me that the process of evolution for which these premises are central is a purposeless process, that it did not intent man or dog. I'm taking their word for it since they earned PhD's in their fields.

A purposeless process is by definition ateleological. There is nothing that can be designated an end in the metaphysical sense. We can talk about the present stage of evolution and what it has produced up till this moment. We cannot foresee what it might produce next, since the project is driven not by reason (unless you now think man is totally in control of his own fate) but by the interaction of organism and environment. Therefore it is improper to speak of ends either temporally or metaphysically.

It is also invalid to think of evolution as moving from low to high, except in the sense of from simple to complex. But to consider complexity morally or metaphysically superior to simplicity is to engage in value judgements, which are, strictly speaking, outside the province of science.

60 posted on 02/17/2006 10:59:25 PM PST by phelanw
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