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Mo. firefighters refuse to help non-member
modbee ^ | 2-16-06

Posted on 02/16/2006 3:52:53 PM PST by LouAvul

Edited on 02/16/2006 6:43:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: jiggyboy

Funny, but be careful about posting Onion articles. They used to be quite popular here, but I think FR got a cease and desist letter or something.


101 posted on 02/16/2006 5:08:37 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: rwfromkansas
It is the FIRE DEPARTMENT. They are to SERVE THE PUBLIC. Not serve MEMBERS. They are to serve ****everyone**** in their area.

Wrong. They are volunteers who organized on the principal of serving a select group and everyone knew the rules. Perhaps not the system I would prefer, but a system none the less. Is the banks security across the street responsible for protecting your store, "because the could if they wanted to?" The person who's property burned had the opportunity to join with his community in a voluntary tax. He chose not to and was deprived of the service. What part of this don't you get?

102 posted on 02/16/2006 5:08:59 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
You know, they could have put the fire out when the guy offered to pay and then billed him for it. Officious little pricks.

That's like calling your agent to buy auto insurance after you have already had the wreck.

If they make it a policy to let people pay the membership fee when their house is burning, everybody will wait until their house is burning, but by then the fire department will have gone bankrupt.

103 posted on 02/16/2006 5:10:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Fruitbat
Rueda said no one told him about the dues policy when he moved in 1 1/2 years ago.

If that's the case, then the realtor who sold him the property may be liable for the damages here -- under some kind of "full disclosure" law.

104 posted on 02/16/2006 5:10:35 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Myers said he would make an effort to explain the membership policy to the area's new Hispanic residents after the property's owner, Bibaldo Rueda, said he had never been told of the dues policy since moving there 1 1/2 years ago.

Might have something to do with it. Language barrier and/or those that are not fond of the invasion of America. A large amount of Freepers seem to fit this category.

105 posted on 02/16/2006 5:11:29 PM PST by listenhillary ("Mainstream media" is creating it's own reality~everything sucks)
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To: LouAvul

They said they have a policy to intercede when life is elieved to be in danger, other than that they are a member's only organization. Why is this a problem?

There are consequences to our decision - I guess this guy learned a valuable lesson.


106 posted on 02/16/2006 5:12:43 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Wrong, firefighters in these areas are volunteers. The information is given that if you don't voluntarily pay your dues, you suffer the consequences, then all the people scream when they actually have consequences. You don't understand, it's not like a big city where everyone pays taxes.


107 posted on 02/16/2006 5:12:44 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: digger48
I thought tax money paid the tab. I've never heard of a membership program to fund firefighters. Is this for real?

That's how it's done in rural areas, where there is no taxing authority to provide the funds.

It's called a volunteer fire department. If you want the fire department to come when your house is on fire, you pay the memberhsip fee every year. Without money for fire trucks and hoses provided by the membership fees, there is no equipment for the volunteers to use.

108 posted on 02/16/2006 5:12:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: ravinson
If anyone, it would be the person who sold the property to him that would be obligated to advise him of the fire service fee, not the people of the nearest town.

You'd think. But this sounds like a first class trailer park kind of community. I wouldn't wager the farm that there was a lot of formality in the sale. LOL

109 posted on 02/16/2006 5:13:41 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: A CA Guy

You California people don't understand, this is not a paid position, it's volunteer. That's the way we do things out here in the sticks. If you want paid protection, go to the city or California.


110 posted on 02/16/2006 5:14:01 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: TexanToTheCore
I was a volunteer firefighter in Southern Maryland years (decades) ago. There was nothing to join. We fought 'em all. Why even get on the engine otherwise? It is still that way there.

We even did a stellar job of putting out one structure, loaded with antiques, with very little damage to anything, (Items of value, and there were many, were being evacuated as the hose lines were going in) knowing full well the owner was hostile to many of the membership, whom he considered. 'young hooligans'. Nothing missing, one lamp damaged. Smoke and water damage at an absolute minimum. Fire out. 250+ year old house. We made a convert that day.

(Donations were definitely appreciated, and no, we did not get any of that money ourselves, it went to equipment and training.)

111 posted on 02/16/2006 5:14:26 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I remember my parents scraping up the money to pay their fire dues. We've since changed to property tax funded FD's.


112 posted on 02/16/2006 5:14:47 PM PST by listenhillary ("Mainstream media" is creating it's own reality~everything sucks)
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To: LouAvul

Firemen are well reputed pricks. Anybody who gets as much easy sex as those guys doesn't deserve my support! Every man for himself! :-)


113 posted on 02/16/2006 5:15:37 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: ozarkgirl

We have a similar thing in our property taxes. We have the option to be in or out of a yearly fee that protects us with our fire and 911 issues.
If we pay and something happens, no bill.
If something happens and you opted out, you get large bill.


114 posted on 02/16/2006 5:17:49 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ozarkgirl

My point is you still get the service either way.
We maybe have homes closer to each other than by you and we have gas or oil lines we don't want to go boom.


115 posted on 02/16/2006 5:19:19 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Aren't most rural firefighters volunteers? This is bizarre.

Where do you think the money for the fire trucks and hoses comes from?

Do you think that the term "volunteer" means that the volunteer pays for the privilege of putting out other peoples' fires by buying his/her own equipment?

Do you know how much a fire truck costs?

116 posted on 02/16/2006 5:19:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: RichInOC
I'm guessing that taking the guy's money and figuring out the accounting later will turn out to have been a lot cheaper than either settling with or getting sued by him.

By that line of reasoning, you don't need to buy car insurance until after you have the wreck, then you can sue the agent if he won't sell it to you.

Where do you think the money comes from to buy the firefighting equipment used by "volunteer" firefighters?

Do you have any idea how much a fire truck costs?

117 posted on 02/16/2006 5:21:41 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: flying Elvis
I guess I was raised different from a lot of folks on this thread. I was taught to help my neighbor in a time of emergency, whether he merited it or not.

There was a story posted here the other day about a town or property owners' association that was shutting off the water to any residence that was in arrears on their taxes. If you lived next door to one of these people who had their water shut off, would you go out and give him a sponge bath every day?

118 posted on 02/16/2006 5:21:51 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Publius Valerius
Perhaps, which might change the equation, but in the absence of gov't funds...

They get gum't funds, I will betcha. In addition, they can access surplus equipment and other goodies. IMHO, they are swine!

They should be lined up and shot!

119 posted on 02/16/2006 5:22:32 PM PST by pageonetoo (FReepmail for Celebrity Cruises (and more)- www.acorntogo.com -Acorn Travel)
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To: Alberta's Child
If that's the case, then the realtor who sold him the property may be liable for the damages here -- under some kind of "full disclosure" law.

Who said there was a realtor involved. I have a hunch this is the styx for all intents and purposes. Check out where it is.

120 posted on 02/16/2006 5:22:42 PM PST by Fruitbat
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