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America: Islam’s Only Hope for Reform
ChronWatch ^ | Wednesday, February 15, 2006 | A.M. Siriano

Posted on 02/15/2006 11:27:15 AM PST by Jeremiah2911

Legendary radio commentator and writer, Barry Farber, in a recent editorial called “12th Century Thinking,”[*] asks an important question:

“We had proven white and black could live together. We had proven Jew and Gentile could live together, British and Irish could live together, French and German could live together. Italian and Yugoslav could live together. Northerner and Southerner could live together ... But now there’s a new question we never thought of before: Can the 21st century live with the 12th century?”

It is very clear that there are only three answers to our problem of modern Muslims; they are, simply put:

§ Appease them.

§ Reform them.

§ Kill them.

Option 1: Appease Them and They Will Go Away

Liberals have run with this first option, applying a socialist-behavioristic model to the problem, which basically claims that Muslim rage emanates not from within, but from the way they have been treated. America’s Democrats, in league with the world’s Left, have chosen the “Blame America first” subtext and have stuck with it, even though they can be heard “supporting the troops” and posturing as determined war-time administrators (they have a terrible track record to overcome if they want people to take them seriously). Liberals can’t escape their pacifism, which both denies and perverts reality, always seeking materialistic explanations for the enemy’s aggression, pining over personal fault and systemic guilt, and refusing to slay the dragon that has long left its cave.

When I was a teenager, I became aware of a bully whose thuggish antics made the public pool seem like shark-infested waters. I remember complaining about him to a girl, who excused his behavior by mentioning that he had “problems at home,” and then advised me that I should “stop bothering him.” Having been blessed with a fairly idyllic childhood, I felt bad for this kid, truly I did, but I was doing nothing to bother him, so the next time the little jerk came around in an apparent attempt to drown me, I used an underwater technique that rendered a powerful blow to his groin. He crawled out of the pool and lay on the sideboard long enough to contemplate other means of dealing with his “issues.”

The point is, and the thing that liberals simply cannot comprehend: Appeasing bullies, thugs, and terrorists never makes them go away. In fact, it has just the opposite effect, encouraging them to power. The mystery of this simple truth is that people—supposedly intelligent people—miss it completely, in spite of the ample amount of evidence, including historical evidence, to verify it. The massacre on 9/11 didn’t cure their delusions, either. Just the other day, Al Gore, who, as you may recall, almost became President, kicked his own country in the teeth (again) at the Jeddah Economic Forum in Saudi Arabia:

“Gore said Arabs had been ‘indiscriminately rounded up’ and held in ‘unforgivable’ conditions. The former vice president said the Bush administration was playing into al-Qaida’s hands by routinely blocking Saudi visa applications.”

Try to imagine that mindset in World War II. Would we have stopped Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo had we worried that our enemies might somewhere be suffering with too little down in their mattresses and not enough exercise, or might not be able to find a legal way into our country? (God help us if Gore ever becomes our Commander-in-Chief.)

Option 2: Reform Them ... But How?

It is obvious to everyone but the Left that savage, war-like peoples need to be changed into civilized, peace-loving peoples. The foundation of Islam was built upon tribalistic warfare and hatred for Jews, whereas most other religions, notably the much maligned Christian one, are built on notions of peace and divine love. Even Old Testament Judaism didn’t advocate war for the sake of power, but only as defense and as a way to cleanse God’s land of incorrigible evil.

People in the West have been talking about Islamic reform for years, but President Bush is one of the few world leaders to take the idea seriously. He began in Afghanistan and Pakistan—one by war, the other by diplomacy—and continued into Iraq by both war and the imposition of democracy. Despite the ridiculous rhetoric of brainless fools, this is nothing new. Iraq is not our Vietnam, but it may be our Japan, albeit on a much smaller scale. Roadside bombs and weak domestic support have made us forget that the Japanese once allowed a very ruthless faction to seize its country. The Japanese proved that their “peace-loving” philosophies could not stop them from terrorizing the Chinese with unspeakable crimes, and then they turned their attention to world conquest, using sneak attacks and suicide to wage war. I’m sure people like Osama bin Laden very much appreciate the West’s ignorance of this bit of world history.

The Japanese were kicked out of medievalism by two monstrous bombs that leveled Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Utterly defeated, they had nowhere to go but up. Iraq, too, has been defeated, and is now rebuilding, but it remains to be seen if something less than total war can have the same effect that worked so well in Japan. What also is questionable is whether democracy, which does seem to be taking hold in Afghanistan and Iraq, can spread throughout the Muslim world without us having to conquer all of its countries. If this approach doesn’t work, we are left only with ...

Option 3: Kill Them, If We Dare

This war would seem more fruitful if we could muster up the sense of courage, self-sacrifice, and wrathful indignation prevalent among Americans after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Considering America’s reluctance to jump into that war, it is surprising that such a cowardly attack riled us, but people were not encumbered back then with political correctness and multiculturalism, which has instructed us to call our present conflict “War on Terror” and not “War on Islam,” and keeps us from printing provocative posters that remind us to “stay on the job until every murdering Muslim is wiped out!” Again, it remains to be seen if a war can be fully waged against an enemy that is loosely defined, coddled, and even painted as “peace-loving.”

By saying “kill them,” I’m talking total war, of course. Americans have lost its stomach for such a thing, and this too is a sign of the times—and may mark the beginning of the end for our country. As Mr. Farber pointed out in his editorial, “We’ve long been accustomed to questions about ‘fighting for your country.’ Now there’s a new question: Will you fight for your century? The 12th-century enthusiasts did not need time to think. Yes. They will!”

Whenever I speak to people who believe we should get out of Iraq, I ask them the obvious question: “Okay, what then?” Nine times out of ten, I am given no answer. If I am speaking to a liberal, there is little point in persisting, but if I am speaking to a squeamish conservative, or one who believes that Islamic reform is impossible, I then ask, “If pacifism won’t work, and reform is unlikely, isn’t the only answer total war?”

But we don’t have that in us, do we—and thus the protester’s silence reveals his weak constitution and shortsightedness. We can no longer stomach the extermination of people, no matter how evil they are. To confront an evil entity, one must devalue the life of that entity, but America has lost its ability to do so, which is why this war is waged virtually in secret, without daily news reels applauding our victories, rallying cries from eager young soldiers, or the spontaneous writing of beer-hall war songs. When Lt. Gen. James Mattis publicly admitted that “it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot” terrorists, the media tried to vilify him and the military back-pedaled. Too bad! Mattis’s Patton-like sentiments are exactly what America needs today; instead we get military leaders who know they must protect America’s interests while working under the radar, constantly gauging what they can reveal according to the mood of the day.

Is There a Solution?

Appeasement is a joke. Reform is dicey. Total war is unthinkable. Any other ideas?

President Bush’s foreign policy has many faults, but his two-pronged approach to fighting terrorism—killing the killers and freeing the people—puts all three options into play, including appeasement, which is what he does every time he calls Islam a “religion of peace” or insists mosques as military targets are off-limits. His remarks would be wholly reprehensible were he not also pursuing the other options, at least in part—encouraging Islamic reform through democracy and eliminating the bad guys.

I learned a long time ago that you can’t force people to change unless they want to change themselves. Bush is engaged in a grand experiment that may fail, but even in the area of reform his understanding of human nature is praiseworthy: His plans for both Afghanistan and Iraq have never been to enforce American-style democracy, which is like trying to grow a sugar maple in Najaf. On the other hand, the imminent threat presented by the region demands more than slow cultivation—from seed, as it were. So, what Afghanistan and Iraq are getting are transplants—but the gardeners, Bush has always insisted, must be the people. So far, in this regard, he has not failed to live up to his word.

But, in toto, Bush’s approach may not be enough. On the home front, more can be done. The recent incidents of “cartoon jihad” has done nothing to bolster Bush’s optimism about Muslims’ inherent ability to pull themselves out of the Middle Ages. If the Iraqis and other recently freed peoples are getting that taste of freedom that Bush thinks will win their hearts, they haven’t yet found it wholly agreeable. When a man says, “I want everyone to be free, but not you,” the concept of liberty hasn’t quite sunk in. This may be just a matter of time, but it also may be, as Mr. Farber implied, a matter of centuries of time.

Many moderate Muslims, who don’t like the depictions (and why would they?), still believe that the cartoonists should be able to express themselves, but they also live in fear of the radicals—or so we are told. In most countries this is understandable, but hardly true in America. If a Muslim in America speaks out against radical Islam, does that person have something to fear? Well, danger always accompanies the man or woman who bucks the system (go ask Ann Coulter or David Horowitz), but of all places in the world, here and now, moderates have a chance to change their religion for the better, to truly recreate it as a force of peace.

The government, and the people, of the United States should be doing everything in their power to create a protective atmosphere for moderate Muslims to speak their minds in public, encouraging them to censure crazed leaders, both at home and abroad, protest the mistreatment of women in Islamic countries, call for the freedom of Iran and Syria, demand the end of Hamas and al-Qaida, and open up their mosques to scholarly debate over the true meaning of the Qu’ran. (This last point is the most crucial of all of them, and also the toughest, for it calls for the conversion of meaning itself into something more abstract, symbolic and, at the same time, practical.)

Can we conceivably get along with people still living in the 12th Century? The answer is no. If we truly want to reform the Muslim world, making them see that peaceful coexistence is more desirable than reactive violence, the solution is to bring Islam into the 21st Century. To a small degree, this is already happening abroad, but the true revolution should begin here, right in our own backyard, by the mouth of the so-called enemy of the Muslim world, America. Not an easy thing, to be sure, but neither is total war.


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To: Jeremiah2911

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21 posted on 02/15/2006 12:52:03 PM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: justche; USF; Fred Nerks
Thx for the ping. Interesting article, but it overlooks a major point.

It isn't the muslims that have to be killed, it is islam.

This is not a conventional battle, though parts of it certainly are. This first and foremost a battle of ideas.

Islam has, because of the isolation of the desert and its violent means of propagation, avoided modern examination. It is a horse and buggy technology (actually much worse) living in the jet age. If the civilized people of this planet have the courage to speak openly and honestly about the anachronisticity (now there's a word you don't need every day) of islam, and if our governments and institution allow modern life to have its way with islam...printing cartoons and writing insulting editorials and giving islam the same treatment given to all ideas, I think islam will soon realize that it was right about one point all along...

This planet is too small for islam and any competing ideas...either islam dominates or dies.

Unfortunately, there is still a fly in the ointment. Islam ain't gonna give in without a fight...and its about to go nuclear!

22 posted on 02/15/2006 12:53:24 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Restorer
If the analogy holds, then to "wage war on Islam" in the sense that we waged war on Germany and Japan in WWII, then the legitimate military targets of this war would not be Muslims per se, but rather the institutions of Islamic government: Mosques, Madrassas, and the Islamic clerical establishment. Let firebrand Imams understand that they incendiary rhetoric will be swiftly followed by a very real incendiary response and the tone will quickly change. It's one thing to exhort others to "martyrdom", quite another to find oneself on the front lines of a real war.
23 posted on 02/15/2006 2:02:48 PM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: AustinBill

I can buy into that a lot easier than into the "kill 'em all" rhetoric.

I don't want to fight a religious war, but it sure beats a genocidal one.

Those who proclaim their desire to "kill 'em all" should be willing to personally cut the throats of the first 10 Muslim babies. Either that or shut up.


24 posted on 02/15/2006 2:05:28 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Teacher317

I can agree with your definition. The problem is that they're trying to kill my family. They can believe anything they wish and I couldn't care less. Once their beliefs cross the line into action, the gloves come off.

I would also suggest that we may have to provide moderate Muslims with an incentive to fight against their radical brothers. The best incentive I can think of is to point out that those fighting on our side are a lot less likely to be mistaken for the enemy.


25 posted on 02/15/2006 2:08:55 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Jeremiah2911

I've said it before,
the greatest war will be between them and they.


26 posted on 02/15/2006 2:10:28 PM PST by najida (Godiva's are Half off today! WHOO HOO!)
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To: Restorer
Those who proclaim their desire to "kill 'em all" should be willing to personally cut the throats of the first 10 Muslim babies. Either that or shut up.

The irony is they are often the first posters on the anti-abortion, child abuse, Amber Alerts, murdered child threads etc.

If you become the monster you're fighting, you've lost the war.

27 posted on 02/15/2006 2:13:09 PM PST by najida (Godiva's are Half off today! WHOO HOO!)
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To: kipita

And I don't agree with the author's suggestion that somehow WE need to change things in America to make it easier for "moderate" Muslims to exert some kind of peer pressure on their lunatic brethern.

The author asks if Muslims here in America have anything to fear from speaking out against Islamofascism. The answer is: NOT FROM NON-MUSLIM AMERICANS.

But isn't it telling that what they do fear is OTHER MUSLIMS?

Good article. I think the day might come when the unthinkable will have to become thinkable if Western civilization is to survive.


28 posted on 02/15/2006 2:18:47 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: najida

I agree. I doubt seriously that any of them really mean it. I can think of no conceivable scenario in which the only way we could end this war is by intentionally killing over 1,000,000,000 people.

It's not like they have the capability to annhilate us and we have to do it to them first.


29 posted on 02/15/2006 2:20:39 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Jeremiah2911
NO THANKS.

Keep 'em in Europe.

30 posted on 02/15/2006 2:22:50 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Jeremiah2911
You have to attack the ideology of islam and make it a joke and a sad thing to be part of, the greatest worldwide propaganda war of all time. It is the only way to bring any type of long term solution....islam must go.
31 posted on 02/15/2006 2:29:00 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: takempis

The nuke will not be detonated in Israel. It, or more likely they, will be detonated on US soil, in a plan to simultaneously paralyze government and the world’s economic engine simultaneously. We are headed for a clash of civilizations. Unlike that battle which began October 10,732 AD, the approaching war will be much longer, dirtier and bloodier. We will vanquish Islam but it will be at a terrible cost.


32 posted on 02/15/2006 2:30:58 PM PST by US admirer
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To: kipita
The majority of Muslim-Americans live in the 21st Century. The countries they come from live in the 12th Century.

And if islam gains the majority in America we will be dragged down to the level of the other islamic countries.

It's up to them to REFORM.

Impossible, islam is very strict in its demands there is no hope that islam can join the free world, ever. The only hope is to replace it with an other religion. It is islam that must go or we must give up our freedoms to it eventually.

Personally, slavery has no appeal to me.

33 posted on 02/15/2006 2:35:37 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: One Proud Dad

Agreed - Total annilihation is the only response. The other side is already committed to this solution for America, any noise to the contrary is just rhetoric to cause us to flinch.


34 posted on 02/15/2006 4:03:19 PM PST by Highleyman
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To: Dark Skies
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Killing islam. One purple finger at a time.

35 posted on 02/15/2006 5:09:05 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Read the Biography THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. pdf link on My Page)
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To: kipita
The majority of Muslim-Americans live in the 21st Century.

I am not confident that this is true. Some undoubtedly do, but my impression is that a large "silent majority" just live off the land and keep their heads down.

36 posted on 02/15/2006 6:15:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Restorer
It would never be necessary to kill a billion people. That is not the point. It may well be the point to obliterate numerous arab and other moslem capitals, however, including mecca and medina and whatever other hellholes they consider sacred. That would need to be followed by a worldwide embargo of travel against the remaining moslems, keeping them penned in their own countries, concurrently with a severe deportation program from civilized nations. Military regencies would need to be installed to govern the remnant populations and wipe out whatever vestiges of this criminal "religion" might survive.

Japan worked because we crushed their cultural illusions with two atomic bombs, defeated their emporer and bent him to our will, and put on an overwhelming display of conventional might on VJ Day.

The Japanese who mattered knew that resistance was not only futile but would be fatal. A defeat of corresponding proportions will be necessary to bring reason to the islamic backwaters.

37 posted on 02/15/2006 6:29:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dark Skies
Thanks for the ping, DS.

Islam ain't gonna give in without a fight...and its about to go nuclear!

Which is why the race is on to destroy the cult of islam before it destroys us.

Expose mohammed for the pedophile, rapist, warmonger, and genocidal manic that he was and humiliate him and the vile examples he set. Muslims and non-muslims alike need the freedom of speech and the advances in communication to bring them the truth to save us all before its too late. The clock is ticking for both sides...

38 posted on 02/15/2006 7:02:51 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Jeremiah2911

the solution is to bring Islam into the 21st Century

They are doing that just fine at Nantaz,
unfortunately they are doing it so that they can
push us back into the 14th century.

We will soon be at a time when total war will not be
"unthinkable" to us, the Islamic hordes are already there.


39 posted on 02/15/2006 7:08:55 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Restorer

Its not necessary to eliminate a billion people. Just all the Imams. Kill the head and the body dies.


40 posted on 02/15/2006 7:46:40 PM PST by DonnerT (Compromise is Capitulation.)
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