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Elusiveness of Powerball is revealed in the math [Mathematician tears up Powerball ticket]
startribune.com ^ | February 15, 2006 | Mike Meyers

Posted on 02/15/2006 7:12:58 AM PST by grundle

"Obviously, people will focus on people who win," said John Allen Paulos, a Temple University mathematician. "All the same dumb sticks who did the same thing [and lost] are invisible."

Author of a bestselling book, "Innumeracy," Paulos says lotteries have always owed their appeal to people's loose grip of math.

Paulos recalled a line from Voltaire: "Lotteries are a tax on stupidity."

Paulos once tore up a Powerball ticket on the eve of a drawing in front of an audience. "They all gasped as if I just slashed the Mona Lisa," he said.

To a mathematician, the lottery is a game where those who don't play have essentially the same odds of winning as those who do -- none.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: innumeracy; johnallenpaulos; lottery
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1 posted on 02/15/2006 7:13:00 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

I don't play 5 times a day - And I look at it as I won $5 a day!


2 posted on 02/15/2006 7:15:34 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: grundle

I am math wiz and I will buy a ticket just for the fun of it.

I know Bayes's Theorem.


3 posted on 02/15/2006 7:15:51 AM PST by Perdogg (I'd rather go hunting with Cheney, than riding in Ted Kennedy's car)
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To: grundle

"To a mathematician, the lottery is a game where those who don't play have essentially the same odds of winning as those who do -- none."

But obviously someone DOES win.

So his math is a little off.


4 posted on 02/15/2006 7:15:58 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: 2banana

"I don't play 5 times a day - And I look at it as I won $5 a day!"

Just think if you didn't play 500 times a day!

That would $500 you won!

Better get crackin!


:0)


5 posted on 02/15/2006 7:17:24 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: grundle
the lottery is a game where those who don't play have essentially the same odds of winning as those who do -- none.

Yep. If only people would tke a dollar a day and invest it beginning at age 20. By age 60 they'd automatically have a 100% chance of a very large payoff.

6 posted on 02/15/2006 7:19:11 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Bigh4u2

You keep that up and you are going to have a tax problem


7 posted on 02/15/2006 7:19:11 AM PST by kentj
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To: grundle

Jeez..what a frumpy nerd..sounds like he needs to get more than lucky with lotteries..


8 posted on 02/15/2006 7:20:02 AM PST by BerniesFriend
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To: grundle
It may be stupid and irrational, but... let's see... $145M for the cash option (~60% after tax, or ~$85-$90M)... I will buy a few $$ worth of tickets again today. I only play when the jackpots get ~$50M. For the naysayers out there... jeez-o-man.. I've spent a lot more on a lot worse. This is the only gambling I do.

And, if I win... I can throw away those letters from Nigeria.

And, also... if I win... I'm outa here. No offense meant.

9 posted on 02/15/2006 7:20:28 AM PST by fuquadukie (If you can't hang with the big dogs, then don't jump off the porch.)
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To: grundle

That is why I buy 1 ticket twice a week. I want to give myself a chance but I don't want to waste too much money chasing a fairly unattainable dream.


10 posted on 02/15/2006 7:20:28 AM PST by tiki
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To: grundle

I pay $2 a week in the TX lotto. That said I know my chances of winning are very, very slim. But it is worth it to dream.


11 posted on 02/15/2006 7:20:29 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: grundle
I have often wondered why so many lottery winners go broke even after winning tens of millions of dollars at times.

The simple math is thus: By saving a mere $3 million and placing it in a realatively mediocre savings account with a major bank, say 4%, you gain in interest $10,000 a month. Even taking out 45% in taxes you end up with $5,500 a month, or $66,000 a year.

Every year.
After Taxes.

Then it hit me, if you lack the math skills that would prevent you from buying lottery tickets every week, you will not magically get the skills if you happen to actually win.

(I do love irony though, and it would have been unbelievably funny if the ticket the professor tore up had actually contained the winning numbers =))

12 posted on 02/15/2006 7:20:56 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Bigh4u2

At one level you are right: no one wins without a ticket.

At another level the mathematician is right: YOU will not ever win. I can safely predict that based on the odds of each drawing. I think they have in the neighborhood of 300,000,000 numbers sold for each powerball if I heard correctly.

I would feel fairly safe betting against YOU in separate drawings if only 10 were sold.


13 posted on 02/15/2006 7:21:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: grundle
To a mathematician, the lottery is a game where those who don't play have essentially the same odds of winning as those who do -- none.
You've gotta be in it to win it.
14 posted on 02/15/2006 7:21:47 AM PST by eastsider
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To: BerniesFriend
...what a frumpy nerd...

That accursed logic! Somebody's gotta lotto - might as well be you.
15 posted on 02/15/2006 7:22:13 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: grundle
Paulos recalled a line from Voltaire: "Lotteries are a tax on stupidity."

It's also a tax on the willing, unlike most of them.

16 posted on 02/15/2006 7:22:36 AM PST by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
I have often wondered why so many lottery winners go broke even after winning tens of millions of dollars at times.

This feller and his now deceased granddaughter probably should have had a talk with you before winning the $315 million.

17 posted on 02/15/2006 7:23:24 AM PST by steelcurtain
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To: grundle

"The overweening conceit which the greater part of men have of their own abilities is an ancient evil remarked by the philosophers and moralists of all ages. Their absurd presumption in their own good fortune... That the chance of gain is naturally overvalued, we may learn from the universal success of lotteries."


18 posted on 02/15/2006 7:24:35 AM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: grundle
I drop a $1 now and then. Nothing more.

This article is full of good quotes from people who argue (correctly, I believe) that the lottery is just recreation, no one thinks its an investment, people really like the thought that they could win, and it's a lot of fun.

About the only stupid quotes I saw (paraphrasing: "you have no chance of winning") come from the mathematician who seems to feel he is so much smarter than everyone else. Bet he voted for Kerry.

19 posted on 02/15/2006 7:24:40 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (E)
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To: Bigh4u2

Statistically your odds of winning are so remote, they would be IGNORED if it were data sampling in a study.. so he's right.

If Radar paid attention to echos as weak as the chance of you winning the lottery it would be useless... they are ignored, thrown out... effectively non existant.

Lotteries are basically taxes of people who are bad at math... usually the poor.

Tennessee has a great set up... Tax the poor to send the middle class kids to college... way to go po folk... and you wonder why you stay poor?


20 posted on 02/15/2006 7:25:58 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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