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Study: Combat Trauma Seen in Civil War
Associated Press ^ | Mon Feb 6, 2006 | CARLA K. JOHNSON

Posted on 02/06/2006 9:07:00 PM PST by presidio9

A look at the medical records of Civil War soldiers suggests post-traumatic stress disorder existed back then, too, according to a study.

The researchers found that veterans who saw more death in battle had higher rates of postwar illness. Younger soldiers, including boys as young as 9, were more likely than older ones to suffer mental and physical problems after the war.

"Increased war trauma leads to increased physical and mental illness," said study co-author Roxane Cohen Silver of the University of California at Irvine. "That message can be applied to wars around the globe."

The findings, published in the February issue of Archives of General Psychiatry, were drawn from pension records on more than 15,000 Union Army veterans. The researchers examined the records, which included doctors' reports of illnesses, to find signs of cardiac, gastrointestinal and mental health problems.

Warring soldiers have carried home psychological scars for centuries. In American wars, the phenomenon has been called shell shock, combat fatigue and post-Vietnam syndrome. Medical authorities first accepted PTSD as a distinct psychiatric condition in 1980 at the urging of Vietnam veterans and their doctors.

In an editorial accompanying the new study, Dr. Roger Pitman of Harvard Medical School said the findings "should lay to rest the notion that there was something psychiatrically unique about the Vietnam Conflict or about what used to be called `post-Vietnam syndrome.'"

In PTSD, stress hormones like adrenaline scorch a painful event deep into long-term memory, scientists believe. People get edgy, fearful and prone to nightmares or flashbacks.

The study relied on a database managed by the University of Chicago.

Eric T. Dean, author of "Shook over Hell: Post-Traumatic Stress, Vietnam, and the Civil War," used the same records in his research. He said he is skeptical the 19th-century medical records could be made standard enough for the researchers' statistical analysis to be valid.

He also questioned relying on the diagnoses of doctors from the 1800s.

"This is a heroic effort," Dean said. "I just think it's a stretch. Beyond proving war is hell, I just question their nuanced conclusions."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: annoyingnewbies; civilwar; dixie; ptsd
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1 posted on 02/06/2006 9:07:01 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

You mean war messed up people in the past too? Wow.


2 posted on 02/06/2006 9:13:24 PM PST by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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To: presidio9
I have three great children and seven fantastic grandcritters, all of which think that there generation invented everything. I would guess that back in the days when they fought with clubs and rocks, some of the survivors had a few problems too.
3 posted on 02/06/2006 9:14:14 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we are doomed)
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To: presidio9
In PTSD, stress hormones like adrenaline scorch a painful event deep into longterm memory, scientists believe. People get edgy, fearful and prone to nightmares or flashbacks.

Finally; I know why I can't stand to hear Hillary speak.

But seriously, I know on a personal level just how awful PTSD is. I've lost more friends/family to it than I care to mention.
4 posted on 02/06/2006 9:15:43 PM PST by Number57 (Badly worded, but heartfelt)
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To: Number57

You are new here, so let me give you some advice:
You need to make a better effort to clarify what you are trying to say.


5 posted on 02/06/2006 9:17:21 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the handy deadline.)
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To: Number57
I've lost more friends/family to it than I care to mention.

Do you know what PTSD is?

6 posted on 02/06/2006 9:22:25 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Going armed to the terror of the public.)
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To: presidio9
I cannot imagine the trauma that our country faced during the Civil War. The survivors of a war of that magnitude must have been absolutely devastated. How could you fight men who used to be your countrymen and not feel terrible at the end of the conflict? It had to be done, but there is no doubt in my mind that this was the most painful experience that this country has ever experienced (and probably will ever experience).

Some of the issues might be shell shock, but I think there must have been a lot of people who felt they had their hearts ripped out.

7 posted on 02/06/2006 9:24:16 PM PST by burzum (A single reprimand does more for a man of intelligence than a hundred lashes for a fool.--Prov 17:10)
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To: presidio9
More annoying intellects with no real work to do...

Roxane Cohen Silver

Roger Pitman

8 posted on 02/06/2006 9:25:01 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: presidio9

I've always considered it the height of arrogance or something for us to assume that our problems are the worst ever faced. My contention is that almost everything changes with the scenery...except human nature.


9 posted on 02/06/2006 9:30:16 PM PST by stevem
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To: LongElegantLegs
Now why would you ask that? Any idiot could look it up on line; yet I'm supposed to dance like a monkey and give you Webster's standard definition for PTSD?

Yes. I do indeed know what PTSD is. I know because I'm the one who's lost friends/family to it. Because I've suffered PTSD since the early 70s and some family members and many friends no longer speak to me. No, it wasn't war-related. And yeah... it stays with you.

/tmi
10 posted on 02/06/2006 9:34:21 PM PST by Number57 (Badly worded, but heartfelt)
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"Some of the issues might be shell shock, but I think there must have been a lot of people who felt they had their hearts ripped out."

There was no time to dwell on loss -- you might not survive the next winter. You had to plant, and build, and harvest. Half of your children could fall ill and die by age 3.

Unlike today, there were no therapists to patronize and exploit your emotions. You prayed and went on with life, because that's what God called you to do.

Not a bad system, compared to today's useless and hollow coping mechanisms. (Oh and ummm... opium. They had opium, of course.)

11 posted on 02/06/2006 9:39:00 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: Number57; LongElegantLegs
Any idiot could look it up on line; yet I'm supposed to dance like a monkey and give you Webster's standard definition for PTSD?

Well your off to a good start newie

12 posted on 02/06/2006 9:59:28 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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Well your off to a good start newie

Incredibly concise reply. As hard as I may try, I'll never top that. Simply awesome.

~newie
13 posted on 02/06/2006 10:07:49 PM PST by Number57 (Badly worded, but heartfelt)
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To: stevem

That's a good SPL call, stevem.


14 posted on 02/06/2006 10:47:19 PM PST by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: presidio9
One of the things in past wars like WWII for example. Tried to get rid of the "human" element of the fighting.

Thats why we had propaganda and posters depicting our enemies as not human. We always called them evil and nonhuman to try to remove that fabric of moral dilemma to it.
15 posted on 02/06/2006 10:59:49 PM PST by Tyche (It is easier to take life than to give it.)
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To: Tyche

Please provide a source for the US "propaganda & posters" that provoked Germany to attack Poland and Japan to attack Pearl Harbor... you do have such facts readily available don't ya? Or, is it that you represented "we" as the Axis powers?


16 posted on 02/06/2006 11:27:38 PM PST by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader

I never said that we provoked any attack.

I was stating the "we" used posters and propaganda to lessen the "human" element of war.

http://rutlandhs.k12.vt.us/jpeterso/Coljap.htm


17 posted on 02/06/2006 11:42:18 PM PST by Tyche (It is easier to take life than to give it.)
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To: Tyche

Got facts? Please quote Zinn or Chomsky at will...


18 posted on 02/06/2006 11:44:31 PM PST by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Tyche

You have truly missed the mark. The dehumanizing was propagated by Germany & Japan's Acts of War. What did the United States & Allies do, to dehumanize an already dehumanized enemy of mankind?


19 posted on 02/06/2006 11:53:07 PM PST by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader

Here is some:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/powers_of_persuasion/this_is_nazi_brutality/this_is_nazi_brutality.html

Dr. Seuss made some as well
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/Frame.htm


20 posted on 02/07/2006 12:00:44 AM PST by Tyche (It is easier to take life than to give it.)
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