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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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To: nopardons
Oh yoooooooooo hoooooooooo...yet another thing you're wrong about. The n00b was outed by Jim Robinson as not only a banned, damned retread troll, but a really, really, REALLY hard core stinking Commie! :-)

Awww, no fair np!

I was busy FReepmailing you when you found my previous post. I'd already admitted to the error of my ways in my FReepmail. ;^)

(just joshin with ya!)

681 posted on 02/07/2006 10:58:36 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: darkangel82
Jim Robinson, HIMSELF add it and also posted to this thread.

The troll and thread were left alive, so that we could "play" with the troll. Once he has been eviscerated, his bones exposed and baked by the sun, he will be zotted. At least that's what I got from what Jim said. :-)

682 posted on 02/07/2006 10:58:50 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Yes, I know and I'm sorry for the public upbraiding. Please accept my apologies for same. :-(


683 posted on 02/07/2006 11:00:09 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

That's ok, like I said, I was joshin with you. No apology necessary at all!

I realized before I wrote the post you were on thread and more than likely hadn't been pinged to your mailbox yet.

I do wonder when we're going to get to have the paving party especially since ClassCommie hasn't responded to any posts since he was outted as a commie banned returnee. I feel a little wicked in looking so forward to this particular paving since I know it's because I was snookered by ClassCommie.


684 posted on 02/07/2006 11:19:52 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: Sally'sConcerns
Yes, you're right, I was unaware, at that time, that I had FREEPmail.

Oh, don't feel guilty about wanting to start paving...a troll is a troll and PAVE WE MUST, when the ZOT finally comes to be. And as the Queen Mum of RKBA, it will be my pleasure to hand out extra rations of champagne, strawberries and chocolates, on this paving excursion. :-)

685 posted on 02/07/2006 11:26:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: darkangel82

I belive so.


686 posted on 02/07/2006 11:37:47 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Every single troll is now an enemy of the Republic!)
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To: ClassConscious
"I started my own business ..."

"my problem with capitalism is the existence of the relationship between a worker and a boss/employer. "

Gak! Zot this idiot NOW!

'Progressive Movement.' semantically equal to: 'Bowel Movement.'

687 posted on 02/08/2006 12:05:58 AM PST by IYellAtMyTV (Workday Forecast--Increasing pressure towards afternoon. Rum likely by evening.)
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To: ClassConscious
I see it's been more than 24 hours and you're still here...why?

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688 posted on 02/08/2006 12:27:23 AM PST by IYellAtMyTV (Workday Forecast--Increasing pressure towards afternoon. Rum likely by evening.)
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To: Sally'sConcerns
I believe that my gobbledygook was in reference to the article about which our posts were written. You must have been the last post prior to my comment. Instead of cruising back to the original post to make my comment, I attached it to the end comment. I'm terribly sorry that this caused you such consternation.
689 posted on 02/08/2006 5:26:38 AM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: nopardons
OK, but a nice try by the troll.
690 posted on 02/08/2006 5:45:50 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Oh yeah, a lovely try, a nice try, a wooooooooonderful try... if you enjoy an avowed COMMIE making you look like a complete fool with the IQ of a dead slug; which he DID do to you and quite a few others on this thread.


691 posted on 02/08/2006 5:22:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons; All

So has he been picked clean yet?


692 posted on 02/08/2006 6:11:32 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82
No, not yet.

He ran away and did NOT come back, when Jim outed him. I think that the ZOT is on hold, for when/IF he returns.

693 posted on 02/08/2006 6:14:01 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ClassConscious

"I am not a troll."

Yes you are.
You were here previously as "SoLongCrooks".
So yes, you most ceertainly ARE a troll.


694 posted on 02/08/2006 7:58:57 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons
Sorry I don't keep track of posters IP addresses and match them to previously banned posters or track email addresses, location, servers etc...

Who the hell do you think you are by the way with your high and mighty attitude that follows you? An insecure alarmist who gets off at name calling? A power tripper? Either way lay off the caffeine please.
695 posted on 02/09/2006 10:27:38 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi
Only Jim Robinson does that.

I KNOW who I am, dear; I am part of the troll patrol here. If it wasn't for us, FR would be overrun with trolls, because there's just so many places a MOD can be and no, they don't monitor every single thread.

As far as the rest of your sill, accusatory, personal attack goes, it appears that you are suffering, terribly, from a project complex. GET PROFESSIONAL HELP!

696 posted on 02/09/2006 2:01:42 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Your "personal attack" happened first 'O mighty troll fighter'.

Go read your diatribe again.


697 posted on 02/09/2006 2:09:04 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Get someone to read the posts and explain them to you. ;^)


698 posted on 02/09/2006 2:16:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ClassConscious
I don't entertain hopes of converting anyone to my view of economics since I only started seriously reading about economics in 2000 and there is so much that I do not know.

Something to consider factoring in to thinking about economics, if you don't already, is human motivation to do or not do things. The Laffer Curve is a pretty simple example of this. Once you're responsible for signing the front of paychecks, your entire perspective changes dramatically as well.

Glad you've stuck around thus far.

699 posted on 02/09/2006 8:58:38 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government "job" attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: All

700 and still no zot?


700 posted on 02/10/2006 4:50:33 PM PST by darkangel82
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