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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

*******Beginning of new thread by the same Troll**************

The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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To: harrowup
You're BLIND!

Told ya so, told ya so, TOLD YA SO! ;^)

541 posted on 02/07/2006 4:33:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the link....I'd never seen it before. It's great!

But WHEN are you gonna zot the retread troll?

542 posted on 02/07/2006 4:34:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I was seriously hoping we could replace Murrymom though.
Of course, I wouldn't oput it past her spawned progeny to be the poster in question.
(Her metro son signed up to post on one occasion if memory serves.)


And yes, the anti-VK's do annoy the heck out of me.
But the poster was given the 'benefit of the doubt', so those who complain about it being a simple zot fest can kiss my phospohorescent pale butt on that.
He's, as per the statement by the boss, 'SoLongCrooks' retread.
Time for paving operations.


543 posted on 02/07/2006 4:38:11 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: MonroeDNA
Soooooooooooooooo, you love having an avowed COMMIE on FR?

You think that retread troll stinkos shouldn't be banned and that those who abjure his presence here, act childishly, do you? Well, then set up your own forum and invite every form of political persuasion to join it. This site is for CONSERVATIVES; in case you haven't noticed.

544 posted on 02/07/2006 4:38:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ClassConscious; SoLongCrooks

Okay, we gave you the benefit of the doubt.
You got caught.
Now it's time for zot, and paving.

So see?
We are nice to people, and do give the benefit of the doubt.
However, if the person we're being nice to isn't worthy of respect, whose fault is that?
Not ours.


545 posted on 02/07/2006 4:40:14 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: MonroeDNA

"Despite the wailing of the liberal trolls and other doom & gloom naysayers, we feel no compelling need to allow them a platform to promote their repugnant and obnoxious propaganda from our forum. Free Republic is not a liberal debating society. We are conservative activists dedicated to defending our rights, defending our constitution, defending our republic and defending our traditional American way of life. " -Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts


546 posted on 02/07/2006 4:41:49 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare
Last night, I said that I really SHOULD make a list of ALL the damned bleeding hearts who sucked up to this damned retread STINKING COMMIE troll and rub their collective noses in it, when the truth came out. But, then I said that I wouldn't do that.

I'm having second thoughts.....LOL

Yep, I remember the brief visit by the spawn of MM. He didn't last long at all. :-)

547 posted on 02/07/2006 4:50:54 PM PST by nopardons
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To: MonroeDNA
Tell that malarkey to Jim Robinson. :-)
548 posted on 02/07/2006 4:53:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Yeah, the spawn of MM went splodey kinda quickly.
Wonder if he still tries to come back here once in awhile.


549 posted on 02/07/2006 4:53:52 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Sally'sConcerns
Oh yoooooooooo hoooooooooo...yet another thing you're wrong about. The n00b was outed by Jim Robinson as not only a banned, damned retread troll, but a really, really, REALLY hard core stinking Commie! :-)
550 posted on 02/07/2006 4:56:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare
Lots of damned retreads and lots of folks with at least 3 nics.

The spawn was even worse than MM; IIRC.LOL

551 posted on 02/07/2006 5:00:02 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Yeah.
Wonder if his mom would have gone more totally cracked if we'd given her the boot permanently and replaced her with sonny.


552 posted on 02/07/2006 5:06:16 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare; darkwing104; Paul_Denton; All

I detect a high level of static in the air...zot soon perhaps?


553 posted on 02/07/2006 5:09:20 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: nopardons
I am correct and you'll understand why, in private. But, go to bed and sleep well.......:-)

P.S. Ice cream puts you to sleep?

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa! You were right about the H1-B visas' and you're also right about this noob being a communist troll as proven by Jim's posting of the commie's previous thread from January.

As far as I'm concerned, the noob deserves to be zotted and paved!

As far as the sleep went, I only slept in short snatches so am rather testy and snappish and having to watch myself because of it. I'm bound and determined tonight will be better!

If I eat ice cream at night it definitely helps to make me sleepy. I'm not sure if it's phsycological or not but I tend to think it's because of the cream and the sugar. When I was a little girl and couldn't sleep my Mom would heat up a mug full of warm milk with just a little sugar in it. She'd bring it to me and talk to me while I drank it and then tuck me in when I was done. I rarely had a problem sleeping when I was little but it was a nice ritual we shared on those rare nights I couldn't get to sleep.

554 posted on 02/07/2006 5:10:31 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: darkangel82

I hopeso, given that he was given the benefit of the doubt and then the cards were put on the table.


555 posted on 02/07/2006 5:13:31 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: RandallFlagg; ClassConscious

Well CC, I bet you're laughing all the way over to the DUmp having pulled one over on some of us FReepers.

I rescind my welcome as I have absolutely no use for commie trolls.

Bite me liar. How do you tell if ClassConscious is lying? It's in every post he makes!


556 posted on 02/07/2006 5:19:19 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: Darksheare
One will never know, but it's funny to contemplate. LOL
557 posted on 02/07/2006 5:30:02 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Sally'sConcerns
Thank you for being SO gracious!

I'm so very sorry that you didn't get a good night's rest and hope that tonight is better for you.

Ahhhhhhhhh...I see now, re the ice cream. It isn't only comfort food, it also holds dear memories of your childhood and bedtimes for you. I appreciate that you were kind enough to share your story with me; thanks.

558 posted on 02/07/2006 5:34:24 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Sally'sConcerns
"Progressive" is a relative term. Capitalism IS progressive.
559 posted on 02/07/2006 5:36:19 PM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: nopardons

Would have been amusing to sow discord between MM and her spawn.
It was not to be, oh well.


560 posted on 02/07/2006 6:10:37 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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