Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Perhaps you need to send me a FREEPmail. LOL
Bookmarking. Gotta get to sleep.
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Why is that? He has not insulted you, or came posting stuff such as: Bush is Hitler! Halliburton is da antichrist! Drink Evian!
Instead he wrote a post, stated an opinion different from your own, and scared you silly. Am I wrong?
Yes, I know and understand exactly how tired you are and why tonight is not the time for this. Please, go to bed...this really can wait until you are refreshed. It does nobody any good to prolong this, considering how exhausted you are and how late the hour.
This site is rife with class tensions. The tensions just express themselves often through the proxy of other issues: immigration, protectionism, land use, gay issues, etc. Heck, we even have a contingent that hate school vouchers. I suspect a lot of them are members of teachers' unions. The GOP is a bigger tent these days, and that is one source of it all. Another source, is that a lot of rich folks are rich, and Dems, due to big government, along with a lot of Pubbies. That is what makes politics so interesting!
Yes, Democratic VP Wallace was friendly to the communists. Churchill came to the US and talked about the Iron Curtain and Wallace was content to let communism take over in Eastern Europe.
I think we're in agreement that people like Wallace were not opposed to communism, or I suppose you would go as far to say supported communism. Perhaps some of his speeches in the 1940s are on the Internet. You might be surprised "how far he went" in his rhetoric - I was, when I first read it.
I hate capitolists
I was a big-time stock investor!
I was working for dot-coms
I was a lucky one who managed to jump from dot coms to Wall Street.
LOL
Krugman is a mordant IDOIT and nothing but a propagandist! If you like him and believe what you read in the pages of the N.Y.Slimes, there's little hope for you.
What do you think about rank-and-file leaning unions striking, what's your view on that? I'm curious since you said you were a shop steward.
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http://www.neoperspectives.com/unions.htm
ROFL! Least he's honest cause nobody would make-up a story like that for themselves. Better than a guy on another thread who is saying he's related to a NFL QB, and the whole family is urging him to quit in protest of the Super Bowl! ROFL!
see ... that's exactly the leftist in you - blaming 'capitalism' instead of your own youthful naivete. Even if you weren't wise enough to see it at the time, at least now in hindsight you might want to reflect that the whole dot com boom was just a Ponzi scheme. There never was any 'capital' basis to warrent investment - no product, no thing of value - just a frenzy to be in on the ground floor of a house of cards. So it wasn't 'capitalism' or capitalists who caused you to nearly lose money. You, and too many others, were simply snookered. Take it as a lesson in life (and towards understanding what real capitalism is) instead of blaming and hating what might have saved you the trouble. Take responsibility for having been a naive youthg and resolve to invest yourself in things of real value. You'll feel better instead of bitter (and start understanding conservatism).
I used to like Krugman's articles on budget and other economically related issues, including social security, where he made a very trenchant case, with which I agreed. I knew before then, that Bush's SS plan was dead in the water, and deservedly dead, but he wrote well on the topic. Then celebrity got to his head, he got his byline in the NY Times, and became a superficial leftist, dyspeptic Bush hating propagandist. He knew where his bread was buttered I guess.
Wait a minute! If it turns out your're correct can I just be wrong instead of being dead wrong? Please?
I can't go to bed quite yet, I'm waiting for the ice cream to kick in and put me to sleep.
"I am a working class person and hate capitalists."
The alternatives to capitalism are pure communism, and mixed economy socialism.
Pure communism has failed dismally. Soviet Union and satellites, North Korea and Cuba are my evidence.
Mixed economy socialism depends on the capitalism element to provide jobs and revenues.
Those are simply facts. So "hate" whatever you define is capitalism, but realize at the same time where your "working class" paychecks come from.
Agree or disagree?
I hate trolls, I hate stinking Commies more, and I hate and revile abject stupidity even MORE! None of this has anything at all to do with my "bloody ordered world"; dear. It has to do with the fact that FR is a political Conservative site, NOT a babysitting/teaching service for every moron, malcontent, uneducated lefty, whose wee "feelings" got hurt over on DU, so he comes here to vent his spleen.
Yes, of course you ARE correct; you and I have it all here.
One more, then I need to get some sleep. Congressman Ron Paul is worth getting to know. He's not that popular around here because of his lack of enthusiasm for Bush's reprise of Wilsonian utopianism, but he is a hard core constitutionalist and libertarian whose critique of the welfare/warfare state is at least 1/2 welcome here (I think - - perhaps incorrectly).
http://www.house.gov/paul/
http://www.ronpaul.org/
On the consequences of WWI, facilitated by Wilson's "tilt" towards the Triple Entente, this book is a good read:
A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East (Paperback)
by David Fromkin
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805068848/ref=ed_oe_p/002-4753117-6221614?%5Fencoding=UTF8
The Evil Empires, August 3, 2001
Reviewer: "bibliomane01" (Arlington, VA USA) - See all my reviews
This is one of my all-time favourite historical works, and I've read a lot of them. David Fromkin tells the story of how the colonial re-adjustments made by England and France during World War I in anticipation of the demise of the Ottoman Empire were ultimately responsible for the continuing mess that is the modern Middle East. It is a story that has been told many times, but seldom with such eloquence and rarely with such a sure eye for the telling detail. Mr. Fromkin has the gift of explication and the ability to really see the big picture. From the fateful voyage of the German warships Goeben and Breslau to the violent death of Enver Pasha in the wilds of Central Asia, and from the fictions of TE Lawrence to the cynical accomodations of Sykes and Picot, the reader is conducted expertly through an incredible but factual story whose ending has yet to be determined. As he shows in other books such as "In the Time of the Americans," Fromkin is a stern critic of the old colonial powers, and some readers may find his account of French and British politics and policies to be a little one-sided, but what really good book isn't? An amazing work of history - six stars!
I started my own business with a friend in July. It has not made a lot of money yet, but it has been profitable. But it has taken a while to incorporate, open a bank account, line up wholesalers and whatnot. If I could be my own boss (or work along with my partner/friend), I do not think I would become conservative, but I do know I would move slightly to the right, since taking orders from bosses, not being in control of my work and so forth is what agitates me.
In my definition of capitalism, being my own boss would put me outside of the system of capitalism. But even if we do call that capitalism, my problem with capitalism is the existence of the relationship between a worker and a boss/employer.
Really, you could say I'm laying down bets on two squares. If I win the self-employment bet, while I don't think I'd become conservative I am quite aware that I would move right slightly. The other bet I have laid down is on the whole "workers united" thing. If I feel I can not move from wage slave to self employed, I guess that would move me way over to the left.
Do you know what transpired at Yalta?
Do you know ANYTHING at all, besides something about Wallace?
Very good post, all of it, dougd. When you go looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Expect to be disappointed.
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