Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Yes, you are a legend. Deal with it. ;-)
But this is an unusual troll with vast untapped potential for intelligent thought....lol.
I'm late to this thread and it may have already been said. You are asking about and seem somewhat confused about the fact that on this site, there is more freedom to discuss varied and opposing ideas.
The confusion and the answer lie directly in that point. We talk about other ideas, and use them to compare to what we believe and think about our own. We don't simply throw them out, we face them down and state clearly WHY those ideas are not as good as ours. I'm not saying that people don't get banned, this site does not suffer fools, nor those who come to disrupt and taunt with propaganda.
You are sad that we are winning, but this site shows why. We have learned who and what we are, we have learned to express and defend our ideas against all comers, and we exercise those skills by allowing other ideas in and find the logical reasons why it wont work, or might, or why our own plans and ideas are better.
How can we do that? It took some 40 or 50 years in a political desert, it took some very good people to take some very real political arrows by standing up and saying the party/movement/accepted conservative ideas were wrong on certain ideas. It took the same standing on ideas we thought right. It took taking the blows when the liberals painted us with their own brush on racism and made it stick, in some cases to this very day, and there was nothing we could do but take it and get on with life. It took learning how to express our thoughts, logically and clearly, with examples that allow others to see that logic, and real life practicing what we preached to prove it.
Oh, and one other thing, we grow in numbers because in spite of what others believe when they come to post their ideas, and stay and fight even as they are getting pummeled with the logic and skills I've described above, they often find their ideas were nothing more than the rote propaganda of a failed system, and when when it's attempted to lay it out in the manner that is required to argue it effectively, find that it simply falls apart.
That said we are not monolithic. I lean quite libertarian, and clash with some of the social conservative ideas. Other are quite sure that faith and a belief in a higher power is the answer to all. But we all talk, we all do it without clashing too much, and we all accept and learn that overall, we are much closer than we are apart.
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And how is this germaine to conservatism? I will not be baited into debating the merits of communism, and whether leftists embraced it. Communism and socialism have destroyed millions of human beings. Freedom and conservatism allow people to achieve what they are willing to work for. It even allows failure.
My family has HATED stinking Commies for generations; lost almost the last of them still in Hungary in, '56.
I would say the way that I had a left-wing point of view economically is a lot of reading I did in the late 1990s. I was working for dot-coms at the time. I guess I can be honest more here than among my left-wing pals - I was a big-time stock investor! Peter Lynch, Warren Buffett, fundamental analysis and all of that.
Anyhow in April 2000 the market begins tanking. My stocks had gone up a lot, when they got down to 200% I sold half so I wouldn't lose my original investment. Of course, the half I held onto went to 0, or near it. But I kept my original investment, many friends lost a lot, or even bought on credit and were in worse shape than those who just lost. Following this was unemployment in IT. I was a lucky one who managed to jump from dot coms to Wall Street.
I guess if there's an event that pushed my thinking left economically, it was the stock crash and recession. In my reading, a lot of people moved left during the 1930s Depression so I guess that's what happened to me. And I agree with a lot of what the left wing economists say, which I could go into detail about. But that's why as you asked, I'm a green or left-wing.
I think that you have me confused with someone else. LOL
I like him, he's house broken, and I'm sure we can get rid of the fleas from where he's been playing over in DU. If we only allowed conservative thinkers and bots most of us would get bored real fast.
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What you are hearing in general, are the echoes of the other wing of the GOP - protectionist, quasi command control of the economy, etc. Coalitions are hard on the nerves to hold together. :)
If what you say is true, then you really don't understand that the Communist Left Wing Progressive Liberal Democrats had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Stock/Tech boom economy of the 90's.
You can thank Conservative tax policy of the 80's for the investment capital and climate that made it possible.
Don't mind those who are out for your head. Heck, I'm suprised I havn't been banned several times since I joined in 2000, and I'm a conservative! Welcome aboard!
Take it from somebody who was born in the now Communist country of Cuba:
In the World, there will always be those individuals who are out to scr#w you. That includes capitalist SOB's in a capitalist society.
In a capitalist country, however, you have the option of changing capitalist bosses or even starting your own business and becoming your own capitalist boss (as I am).
In a Communist country, the Government is your boss and your boss will enforce his will by force of arms and by the G-2 dragging you away to the Gulag at 3:00 AM as they dragged away my grandfather.
The only thing worse than an SOB boss is an SOB boss with a gun to your head.
Nope. Someday, I hope to have an opportunity to tell you how much my family thinks of you.
Well, as far as the H1-B issue is concerned I regret you see a need to import IT people when we have American IT people looking for jobs in their field. I do see a need for H1-B's in fields where there aren't enough qualified Americans to be found. That's the reason I qualified my statement about the issuing of the visa's in certain fields.
At age 31 I was apolitical. If I'd been asked I'd have said I was Republican but it wouldn't have come from a strong personal belief but would have been becaused I was raised in a republican household. At the time I was too busy keeping a roof over my and my son's head and food on the table to even give politics a second thought. As time progressed and life became easier financially I was able to look up and pay attention to other things like politics.
You'll have FReepmail shortly but please don't expect much out of me tonight. Have you ever been so tired you're almost too tired to sleep? That's where I am tonight so while I normally enjoy spirited debate, I'm afraid my spirited is MIA for the time being.
Betting the farm on American laws insulating you from competition from the best and brightest in your chosen field, is one way to lose the farm. It won't happen, it can't happen, and even if the laws are passed, they won't work. It is time for you to move on to Plan B. Plan A is a loser.
Heck no, hippy! We zot first than convert! < /sarcasm>
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