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Ibn Warraq: the West must defend Danish cartoons, or concede the "Islamization of Europe"
Spiegel ^ | 3 February 2006 | Ibn Warraq

Posted on 02/04/2006 11:07:12 PM PST by ClashOnBroadway

Best-selling author and Muslim dissident Ibn Warraq argues that freedom of expression is our western heritage and we must defend it against attacks from totalitarian societies. If the west does not stand in solidarity with the Danish, he argues, then the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest.

(Excerpt) Read more at service.spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: boycott; cartoons; censorship; danishcartoons; ibnwarraq; jihad; muslims; terrorists; wot
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1 posted on 02/04/2006 11:07:14 PM PST by ClashOnBroadway
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To: ClashOnBroadway
Are we in the west going to cave into pressure from societies with a medieval mindset, or are we going to defend our most precious freedom

A pressing question as for the EU I would say no.

Come on EU, surprise me.

2 posted on 02/04/2006 11:12:38 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: Mike Darancette
I don't know. The Dutch bloggers are having a field day. Enjoy.

http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C
3 posted on 02/04/2006 11:14:18 PM PST by Chgogal (CNN, the network that enabled Saddam.)
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To: ClashOnBroadway

My tagline expresses my sentiments perfectly.....the civilized world must show solidarity with the Danes.


4 posted on 02/04/2006 11:14:53 PM PST by indcons (Please support Denmark by buying Danish products at your groceries)
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To: ClashOnBroadway

The fight against the muslims has begun in earnest. Even the Europeans have been sucked in now.


5 posted on 02/04/2006 11:15:57 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: ClashOnBroadway

cc: U.S. MSM


6 posted on 02/04/2006 11:19:56 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: ClashOnBroadway

Submitter here. Normally I don't post articles, but I felt compelled with this one. I know, and understand, why a lot of people might think the cartoonists went overboard and were intentionally disrespectful and aren't entirely innocent, but regardless, the Islamic world's reaction has been ridiculous, and is totally unjustified.

Now, I consider myself a moderate, but I'm probably rather liberal by Freeper standards, but nevertheless, I am tired of hearing how the West must respect a culture that would drag education and the arts (my two favorite subjects) back into the stone age, and that these extremist elements are only borderline fringe groups.

I was appalled that the US' reaction to this was to side with these groups against Europe. I know Europeans are generally not popular here due to our differences, esp the more recent ones, but how can you choose a sworn enemy over a friend who occasionally frustrates you???


7 posted on 02/04/2006 11:24:18 PM PST by ClashOnBroadway
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This is the equivalent of Nazi book-burning. There is a lot of "Mein Kampf" in the Koran--- and vice-versa.

8 posted on 02/04/2006 11:24:28 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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the Islamic world's reaction has been ridiculous, and is totally unjustified.

Boycotts are fair instruments of expression, but the threats of violence are barbaric.

9 posted on 02/04/2006 11:27:57 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Chgogal

10 posted on 02/04/2006 11:29:27 PM PST by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie !)
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To: Chgogal
I'm dyin' here. Here's one of the more, er, presentable ones:

Oh, yeah. This one'll go over bigtime in Riyadh...

11 posted on 02/04/2006 11:30:07 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Jasper; Billthedrill
I only see red x's.

But I liked the Lego one...ya know Muhammad with 23 wives including Aysha for boys 6+, girls not allowed. LOL

I used to play with Legos. Probably why I thought it so funny. :)
12 posted on 02/04/2006 11:36:06 PM PST by Chgogal (CNN, the network that enabled Saddam.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I guess I can't completely disagree with you, but I will say that it still seems unjustified - why should all Danish companies suffer because of what a newspaper says? It'd be like me getting offended by USA Today or the Chicago Tribune and boycotting Burger King as a result.

Just IMO, of course, but even the boycotts strike me as irrational.


13 posted on 02/04/2006 11:37:21 PM PST by ClashOnBroadway
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To: ClashOnBroadway
Islamization of Europe

From all of the hurried apologies, firings of editors and staff and criticizing of publishers, I say it's a done deal. And we too are submitting to their will. It seems that violence and terror works.

14 posted on 02/04/2006 11:37:30 PM PST by fella ("(News) should be the maximum of information & minimum of comment." - Cobden)
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To: ClashOnBroadway

I have a new meaning for WWW. West Will Win.


15 posted on 02/04/2006 11:38:59 PM PST by CommieCrusher
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To: ClashOnBroadway
why should all Danish companies suffer because of what a newspaper says?

Point well taken.

16 posted on 02/04/2006 11:39:24 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Chgogal
Mildly amusing
however the guy they are mocking is not Mohammed
it is a representation of Ali
which is popular amongst the Shiites.
17 posted on 02/04/2006 11:39:38 PM PST by Allan
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To: ClashOnBroadway

How can we fight a war when we can't even openly admit who our enemy is?


18 posted on 02/04/2006 11:40:42 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: fella

It's too late to save Europe. Several months ago "Commentary" had a feature article "The Ismamization of Europe?" In terms of demographics the Euros are comitting attenuated suicide with negative birthrates. The Islamists have invaded them as the illegals are invading us. They just want to have a labor supply to keep the streets clean and wait on their tables til the pension system collapses. John Fund had an interesting article in the W.S. Journal about this inevitable decline and decadence.


19 posted on 02/04/2006 11:49:49 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: ClashOnBroadway
I was appalled that the US' reaction to this was to side with these groups against Europe.

It certainly was surprising to see so many Europeans standing tall for free expression and the U.S. (and G.B.) going wobbly. The Euros, after all, have lots of hate speech prohibitions while we Americans like to think of ourselves as free speech absolutists.

The weak U.S. response made me wish for a little of the old Bush cowboy spirit. (Not the cowboy spirit recently portrayed in the movies but the old $hitkicking one.)

I must say, though, that I do not much agree with your idea that the U.S. owes anything whatsoever to most of Europe in terms of rallying-round-your-friends. It pleases so many Europeans to be arrogantly contemptuous of the U.S. that the term "friendship" hardly applies, IMO. (And I say this as someone who is very focused on Europe, and France in particular, as an obsessive interest. I have a lot of admiration for aspects of their culture but an unclouded and unsentimental view of our relationship.)

20 posted on 02/05/2006 12:01:32 AM PST by LK44-40
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