Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

de Borchgrave - Later than we think (on Iran president Ahmadinejad)
United Press International (excerpt) ^ | February 2, 2005 | ARNAUD DE BORCHGRAVE

Posted on 02/02/2006 4:12:52 PM PST by HAL9000

Excerpt -

WASHINGTON, Feb. 2 (UPI) -- The man in charge of hoodwinking the Western powers about Iran's now 18-year-old secret nuclear program believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime. He'll be 50 in October.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Shiite creed has convinced him lesser mortals can not only influence, but also hasten the awaited return of the 12th imam known as the Mahdi. Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect holds this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, the righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad. He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at the age of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between the forces of good and evil, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

"The ultimate promise of all divine religions," says Ahmadinejad, "will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being (the 12th Imam), who is heir to all prophets. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace. Oh mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one." He reckons the return of the imam who has been AWOL for 11 centuries is only two years away.

Ahmadinejad is close to the messianic Hojjatieh Society, which is governed by the conviction the 12th imam's return will be hastened by "the creation of chaos on Earth." He has fired Iran's most experienced diplomats and scores of other officials, presumably those who don't share his belief in apocalyptic conflagration.

[snip]


(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; antichrist; arnauddeborchgrave; axisofevil; deborchgrave; endtimes; hojjatieh; hojjatiehsociety; iran; jihad; mahdi; mehdi; muslimapocalypse; nuclearweapons; terrorism; terrorists; waronterror; wmd; wot
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-55 next last

1 posted on 02/02/2006 4:12:55 PM PST by HAL9000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: All
ON THE NET...

FreeRepublic.com - Keyword: "IRAN" (Read More...)

MEMRI.org: "IRAN" (Read More...)

"www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1568490/posts?page=24#24" (Note: re Iran) (Read More...)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com (AP): Vienna, Austria - "A-BOMB INTENT FOUND IN BLACK-MARKET PAPER" (ARTICLE SNIPPET:  "A document obtained by Iran on the nuclear black market serves no other purpose than to make an atomic bomb, the International Atomic Energy Agency said yesterday.") (February 1, 2006) (Read More...)
GUARDIAN.co.uk: "UN ALERT AS NUCLEAR PLANS GO MISSING Blueprints Disclosing Key Steps to Build a Bomb Feared Up For Sale" by Ian Traynor in Vienna (ARTICE SNIPPET: "Inspectors at the UN's nuclear authority, the International Atomic Energy Agency, have been investigating the worst nuclear smuggling racket ever uncovered, headed by the Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. The operation was discovered two years ago to be selling sensitive nuclear technology to Libya and Iran. A senior official said several sets of blueprints for uranium centrifuges - the so-called P-1 and more advanced P-2 systems which were peddled by the Khan network - have gone missing. (June 9, 2005) (Read More...)

2 posted on 02/02/2006 4:17:28 PM PST by Cindy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000

Fatalists in positions of power are hazardous to themselves and those around them. They think that the world revolves around them and that they are "destined" to do whatever it is they just feel like doing. Now imagine one of those guys with nukes.


3 posted on 02/02/2006 4:19:31 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at the age of five.

What, is he being hidden in hell?

4 posted on 02/02/2006 4:35:30 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000

The Iranian President needs a good old fashoned beat down.


5 posted on 02/02/2006 4:40:02 PM PST by Thunder90
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000; Cornpone
Sheesh! It seems the world is becoming more and more interesting.

Why can't we take this fruit cake out? I'm sure he is dying to meet up with those 72 virgins.
6 posted on 02/02/2006 4:40:30 PM PST by Chgogal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BenLurkin

He'll be in hell soon now...


7 posted on 02/02/2006 4:41:53 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Chgogal

I bet he is a frustrated artist who was kicked out of art school and then went off to fight a war, came back as a corporal in the Iranian army and then decided to get into politics...he just rose to power faster because he wasn't drinking beer...


8 posted on 02/02/2006 4:43:43 PM PST by Cornpone (Who Dares Wins -- Defame Islam Today -- Tell the Truth About Mohammed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Gordongekko909
One of the arguments against a strike is well we can't get aall of the sites so it's hopeless. That is not quite right. We can take out sufficient of the sites that the enemy will still be disabled. If they get off a shot it will be the last shot. That is better then a first shot on Tel Aviv followed by retaliation while they fire a couple of more. It needs to be done. Even a successful raising of the people against the government is apt to cause a nuclear launch in a last gasp attempt to bring on Mr. 12 to rescue the situation.

We cannot depend on the clamor of the truly pro West young folks. The bulk of the popoulation si probably still pro the present rulers. Iran does have a functioning democracy of sorts and the rural folks still support the people in power. They don't write emails and demonstrate in the streets and get clubbed and shot.

9 posted on 02/02/2006 4:46:26 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Cornpone

Was he born in Austria?


10 posted on 02/02/2006 4:48:10 PM PST by Chgogal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000

What about the fatwa against the creation, stockpiling, or use, of nuclear weapons, by the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei?


11 posted on 02/02/2006 4:50:58 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chgogal
"Was he born in Austria?"

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Nah, I think he was born up a pig's ass.

12 posted on 02/02/2006 4:53:00 PM PST by Cornpone (Who Dares Wins -- Defame Islam Today -- Tell the Truth About Mohammed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000; Pyro7480; AdmSmith; Aquinasfan; Siobhan; Maeve; SJackson; Dark Skies; Sabertooth; ...
Mr. de Borchgrave is so close but has it so very wrong.

[The Mahdi’s] return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between the forces of good and evil, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

I have seen this so many times now in connection with Ahmadinejad and the Shi’ite Twelvers. I don’t know who started it. Probably either some out-of-touch professor who teaches “Introdcution to Islam” or somebody opened the Encyclopedia Brittanica or something and copied out their definition of Shi'a.

But that statement reveals just how far the Western media (and probably our governmental leaders too) are from understanding the current situation regarding Iran.

In this essay, de Borchgrave says it is “later than we think” because he fears Ahmadinejad will use a nuclear weapon to hasten "the creation of chaos on Earth." Therefore, de Borchgrave says, Pres. Bush should “sit down with ‘axis of evil’ Iran to find out if the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine ... could still be made to work.”

What de Borchgrave is clueless about is the Signs of Qiyama and what many imams -- both Shi’ite and Sunni -- have been saying for the past few decades.

It’s not that the Mahdi will appear after some unimaginable chaos. The Muslims believe the Mahdi will appear during a period of very imaginable strife and perceived Muslim powerlessness.

In other words: these imams have been saying that the very existence of the United States as a world power is “proof” that these are the End Times and that the Mahdi will soon appear.

[Aside: For Shi’ites the Mahdi is the 12th imam, who has been hiding from danger for several hundred years. For Sunnis, the Mahdi will be a person who will become Caliph of a world-wide Muslim state.]

These imams have been saying that the Signs of Qiyama are being fulfilled on the front page of the daily newspaper -- therefore the appearance of the Mahdi is immanent. Even a fanatic like Ahmadinejad would have absolutely no need to add any additional chaos to the situation.

Mr. de Borchgrave is also wrong when he writes as if the “Mahdi” is expected to merely be some charismatic Muslim leader who will rule with justice and peace. That is absolutely the wrong way for a Westerner to perceive the situation.

According to the Hadith, the Mahdi is someone who is predestined to kill all the infidels so that they are wiped off the face of the earth. Any non-Muslims left convert to Islam and submit to shari’a law.

The Mahdi is predestined to kill the Dajjal -- the greatest evil ever to scourge the planet. For the last few decades, many imams have been busy interpretting the Hadith to “prove” that the Dajjal is a metaphor for Western Culture and Western Political and Economic Dominance.

Therefore this immanent Mahdi is predestined to destroy Western Civilization and anyone partaking of it.

It’s not that he will try to defeat the West, but that they believe Allah has guaranteed that he will defeat the West -- that it’s a done deal that every infidel will be killed and the survivors will convert. It’s not a question of “if” but only “when.”

Those jihadists who are fighting now are just starting the fight that this expected Mahdi will finish. Some imams are interpretting the hadith that the Mahdi may simply be a metaphor for the collective jihadists.

So it’s really “later than Mr. de Borchgrave thinks.” There is no reason why a millennialist like Iran’s Ahmadinejad should be deterred by the philosophy of MADD that worked surprisingly well with the Soviet Union.

The Soviets, for all their faults, lived in the same Reality that we do. Ahmadinejad and the jihadists do not.

See my FR Homepage and my Links page for more information.

13 posted on 02/02/2006 7:35:51 PM PST by Dajjal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: USF; Dajjal
Hey, Dajjal. Pinging a friend who has been on the inside. OK, USF. Here is a thread to your liking. What do the natives think?
14 posted on 02/02/2006 7:54:51 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: BenLurkin
What, is he being hidden in hell?

Funny you should say that...he is expected to emerge from a well in Jamkaran, a small locality near the holy city of Qom, the “cradle” of militant Shi’ism.

15 posted on 02/02/2006 8:02:18 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Dajjal

As you lay things out, I am convinced there is literally no way to avoid the coming horrors.


16 posted on 02/02/2006 8:12:12 PM PST by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be broken :o)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
I believe that ARNAUD DE BORCHGRAVE
is close to understanding the next year or two.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a vessel
for haSatan who is also known as the Prince of Persia.

Persia will unite with Gog and Magog( Russia)
in an attempt to destroy Israel.
All of the Muslim world will join them coming
to remove G-d's Chosen people from G-d's Land.

b'shem Y'shua

17 posted on 02/02/2006 8:13:12 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dajjal

de Borchgrave has been reporting on self-styled "mahdis" for at least a quarter century. His point is about the way that Ahmadinejad uses the Mahdi in a political context to advance Iran's nuclear weapons program. His two-sentence explanation was adequate for this article.


18 posted on 02/02/2006 8:13:19 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Dajjal

IMO, there is no point in negotiations or discussions with Ahmadi and his gang. You can't reason or negotiate with terrorists, isn't that what our politicians tell us too? Having an ideological debate about Islam or their interpretation of it is useless.

A far more effective way to address this 'end of the world' saga, which has created so much fear, is to help facilitate regime change in Iran. IMO, the U.S. needs to support regime change in Iran and not only or necessarily thru a military strike. It is up to the Military strategists to work out the best plan with most efficient and effective results, which can be implemented in a relatively short period of time. Prior planning is a key element, so is the surprise element.

News coming out of Iran strongly indicates that, at least, 80% of population are against this theocracy and want a secular, democratic regime. We don't hear about this in the mainstream media. What we DO see is the mainstream media promptly give large scale coverage to rent-a-crowd Mullah gang when they sing "Death to America". Why don't the mainstream western media expose the 'other' side of the story?

The regime brutally suppresses any demonstrations in Iran by any group including students. Most of the leaders who organise demonstrations against the regime in Iran are in jail or are executed. Students are attacked at night or when they least expect. There are THOUSANDS of students and ordinary civilians in notorious prisons in Iran. They are tortured and silenced. This is what should be covered in the Western Media but it isn't! The latest silence from Western Media was about the striking bus drivers and how their children and wives were beaten and abused. This has nothing to do with idiotic utterances about Mehdi by Admadinejad. It is a diversion, IMO, to further kill innocent Iranians who aren't infidels either! (Eventhough am sure the Mullahs will find a way to twist matters and justify their actions on this issue as well).

Regime change in Iran to a secular, democracy is critical. It will significantly contribute to the elimination of radical fundamentalist Islam in the region and around the world. It will stop Mullahs' financial and moral support to groups such as HAMAS. Regime change in Iran must happen sooner than later. But, I am hoping that the West has a sense of timing and a solid strategy and plan to deal with it. And this strategy and plan should not be a debate on Islam or its derivatives with Mullahs either - that, IMO, will be absolutely useless.


19 posted on 02/02/2006 8:13:59 PM PST by odds
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
Here is just one sample hadith that imams are using to "prove" that these are the Last Days. No, this is not from a televangelist's sermon -- no, it is not the table of contents from the latest book on Regnery Press -- this is a genuine Muslim hadith.

When you see that truth has died and people of truth have disappeared,
and you see that injustice prevails through the land;
and scripture has become despised and things are introduced into it that are not in it and it is turned towards men's desires;
and you see the people of error having mastery over the people of truth;
and you see evil out in the open and the doers of evil are not prevented nor do they excuse themselves;
and you see moral depravity openly manifest and men being content with men and women satisfied by woman;
and you see the believer silent, his word not being accepted;
and you see the sinful lying and he is not refuted nor does his deceit redound upon him;
and you see the lowly despising the great;
and you see the wombs cut open;
and you see he who boasts of moral depravity is laughed at and is not spurned;
and you see young men being handed over like women and women cohabiting with women and their numbers increasing;
and you see men spending their wealth on things other than pious deeds and no one opposes or hinders them;
and you see the onlooker turn his back on the efforts of the believer;
and you see one person molesting his neighbor and no one prevents it;
and you see the unbeliever joyful because he does not see gladness in the believer when he sees corruption in the world;
and you see alcoholic drinks being drunk openly...
and you see women occupying places in the assemblies just as men do and usury is carried out openly and adultery is praised...
and you see the forbidden things made legal and the legal things forbidden;
and you see that religion becomes a matter of opinion and scripture and its laws fall into disuse;
and you see the leaders drawing close to the unbelievers and away from good people;
and you see the leaders corrupt in their rule;...
and you see men eating what their wives have obtained as a result of their immorality and knowing this and persisting in it;...
and you see places of entertainment appearing which no one who passes them forbids them and no one is bold enough to put an end to them;
and you see a worshiper only praying in order that the people may see him;
and you see the experts in religious law devoting themselves to things other than religion, seeking the world and leadership;
and you see the people living together like animals;
and you see the pulpit from which fear of God is enjoined but the speaker does not act in the manner he has enjoined others to act;...
and when you see the tokens of truth that I have taught, then be aware [of the advent of the Mahdi] and seek salvation from God."
-- The Sixth Imam Jafar As-Sadiq (as)

Yes, it is standard boilerplate for any apocalyptic literature. But the imams compare stuff like this to the daily newspaper, and "prove" to their ummah (congregation) that the United States and our allies "must" be the Dajjal which the coming Mahdi will soon destroy -- and they can help by joining the jihad.

20 posted on 02/02/2006 8:16:51 PM PST by Dajjal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson