Posted on 01/29/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber) weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM (Special Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber pistols as “official alternatives” to the M9 Beretta. But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also have a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.
The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000 JCPs.
SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But don’t hold your breath.
O.K....don't go to a lot of trouble. But thanks! :-)
Some good info here:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/11/oicw1-canceled-door-closes-on-xm8-for-now/index.php
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/07/oicw-individual-weapon-rfp-temporarily-suspended/index.php
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462537
Enjoy.
Yep agree with you and endthematrix on that contract issue......The only HK's I have ever fired were the HK21, the P9S in 45acp, the PM13 squeezecocker, and the MP5 series. Hated the squeezecockers. So I have no honest reference or experience to say pro or con on the current HK product.
Pretty easy to do....as stated just look under the vehicle and pick your spot. Make it bigger than ya think you'll need as you can leave other goodies inside vs just a pistola. Cash, Mom's purse, spare ammo, tools, yada yada yada. Also don't forget the fake dual battery set up. Add the #4 cables to look like a dual battery setup and use a "display" hollow version of you real battery and a tiedown added to a keyed hood lock and ya have a really cheap "very secure" hide on your vehicle.
Also look at the Chevy series of SUV's such as the Tahoe. Pull up the cup holder "set" from the center console and you can hide a lot of goodies under there.
Also fab up a fake bottom in the center console arm rest of almost any vehicle will hide some valuables etc etc ....
Just some quick suggestions......:o)
Oh yeah that SP89 was the sleeper deal of the century.... I didn't care for the concept yet it was a convert platform to the MP5K for the class III crowd. I remember em at 900$ and then as ya say ....up to 3K or more almost overnight !
Glad we were able to reminded you of good memories. Our memories can be some of our most precious possessions.
Maybe you should try to work in a little range time. 1911A1 variants are the race gun of choice for IDPA matches. What I'm getting at is, the design isn't inherently inaccurate.
I toyed with buying a USP in .45 but favored the Glock in .40 instead. The USP had great coarse sandpaper grip but a too high "barn like" profile. I like the flat (matte) slide top of the Glock and some others.
Not true. You lose accuracy with rapid follow up shots with a heavier round. A 454 casull will take down a cape buffalo at 50 meters with proper shot placement.
There are certain 9 loads that are every bit as effective as the .40 and .45. To say its "garbage" is either idiotic or ignorant.
And the FBI agents in Miami were also using .357 and .38 revolvers. The Agents killed were hit by .223 rounds in the chest and head, while the others who survived were hit in other parts of the body by the same caliber. .223 has its faults, but if shot in the head or chest with it, you are much more likely to die than if shot in the arm with it.
In other words, where the agents were hit with the rounds had more to do with them getting killed or just being injured than what handgun they were using. I know many police officers that choose the 9 over other loads they could carry if they desired. Although some agencies (Sec. Service comes to mind) have made the switch to the .357Sig, among others, not all agents dumped their 9. There are a LOT of Sig 228s out there.
FReeper Jeopardy Answer: U.S. Brings Back the .45
FReeper Jeopardy Question: "What thread is least likely to be found on DU?"
We wouldn't want to kill our enemy now would we
Has anyone done any kind of study on just how well tactical lights mounted on handguns work? Most discussions I see about them quickly degenerate into flame wars, with one side talking about how you can see your target in the darkness, and the other side saying that all the light does is give the bad guy a target to shoot at.
My personal feeling (and I have no experience to back this up, it is purely opinion) is that the light is preferable if it's so bright that it dazzles and blinds the person you're pointing it at, renering him basically helpless for even a few seconds. Something like the flashlight I carry on my evening walks, an iNova T4, which is a rechargeable LED rated at 100 lumens. It is a blinding blue-white light - if I hit you in the face with the beam at typical indoor range at night, you will not be seeing anything for a few seconds. Of course, the light is eight inches long - a bit big for mounting on a pistol. But I could practice holding it and using the gun one-handed.
I'm looking to set my defense weapon (a SIG P239) up for night duty and am looking into the best options. I'm leaning toward flashlight carry with tritium sights (the SIG doesn't have rails, so mounting a light is out), but might be persuaded into checking out laser systems.
Yes, it is a 9mm bullet in a necked down .40S&W cartridge, it has superior ballistic properties over the 9mm, much higher velocity, flatter trajectory and better penetration performance.
+1 on the XD. Looks like HS Arms-errr...Springfield got this one to market just in time.
I carry a 1911 every day and love it, but an XD in .45 Auto is mighty appealing.
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