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U.S. Brings Back the .45
Strategy Page ^ | January 27, 2006

Posted on 01/29/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett

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To: Phsstpok

O.K....don't go to a lot of trouble. But thanks! :-)


321 posted on 01/29/2006 5:41:06 PM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Euro-American Scum

Some good info here:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/11/oicw1-canceled-door-closes-on-xm8-for-now/index.php

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/07/oicw-individual-weapon-rfp-temporarily-suspended/index.php


322 posted on 01/29/2006 5:41:11 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: humblegunner
I think some of you fellas would enjoy this thread on Glocktalk about the reliability and durability of the Glock 21.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462537

Enjoy.

323 posted on 01/29/2006 5:42:02 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: ExSoldier; endthematrix

Yep agree with you and endthematrix on that contract issue......The only HK's I have ever fired were the HK21, the P9S in 45acp, the PM13 squeezecocker, and the MP5 series. Hated the squeezecockers. So I have no honest reference or experience to say pro or con on the current HK product.


324 posted on 01/29/2006 5:43:04 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: John Lenin
Why the heck are holow points illegal???? The point is to kill the enemy. I am sure the bad guys would use them against us, if they could get through our armored vests.
325 posted on 01/29/2006 5:48:31 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: hiredhand

Pretty easy to do....as stated just look under the vehicle and pick your spot. Make it bigger than ya think you'll need as you can leave other goodies inside vs just a pistola. Cash, Mom's purse, spare ammo, tools, yada yada yada. Also don't forget the fake dual battery set up. Add the #4 cables to look like a dual battery setup and use a "display" hollow version of you real battery and a tiedown added to a keyed hood lock and ya have a really cheap "very secure" hide on your vehicle.

Also look at the Chevy series of SUV's such as the Tahoe. Pull up the cup holder "set" from the center console and you can hide a lot of goodies under there.

Also fab up a fake bottom in the center console arm rest of almost any vehicle will hide some valuables etc etc ....

Just some quick suggestions......:o)


326 posted on 01/29/2006 5:50:03 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos
I played with an HK91 was real nice. I regret not getting an SP89 right before the ban. At the time $1200 was steep but then it shot up to $3000 and magazines were $200! I would have if they made one in .40 or .45...Oh well.
327 posted on 01/29/2006 5:50:04 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: endthematrix

Oh yeah that SP89 was the sleeper deal of the century.... I didn't care for the concept yet it was a convert platform to the MP5K for the class III crowd. I remember em at 900$ and then as ya say ....up to 3K or more almost overnight !


328 posted on 01/29/2006 5:52:33 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: John Jorsett
I have a WW II vintage 1911, a Kimber and a cheap Llama. They all shoot well and I personally prefer the feel and handling of Mr. Browning's pistol. Even with the Llama I can put all 8 rounds in a paper plate at 25 yds.
329 posted on 01/29/2006 5:55:59 PM PST by Crackhead Willie
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To: buckeye49

Glad we were able to reminded you of good memories. Our memories can be some of our most precious possessions.


330 posted on 01/29/2006 5:58:03 PM PST by ghostcat
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To: DTogo
Last time I fired an M1911 .45 I couldn't have killed myself with a shot to the temple it was so inaccurate.

Maybe you should try to work in a little range time. 1911A1 variants are the race gun of choice for IDPA matches. What I'm getting at is, the design isn't inherently inaccurate.

331 posted on 01/29/2006 5:58:38 PM PST by Oberon (As a matter of fact I DO want fries with that.)
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To: endthematrix

I toyed with buying a USP in .45 but favored the Glock in .40 instead. The USP had great coarse sandpaper grip but a too high "barn like" profile. I like the flat (matte) slide top of the Glock and some others.


332 posted on 01/29/2006 6:00:15 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: John Lenin
You lose accuracy with a heavier round.

Not true. You lose accuracy with rapid follow up shots with a heavier round. A 454 casull will take down a cape buffalo at 50 meters with proper shot placement.

333 posted on 01/29/2006 6:01:32 PM PST by Centurion2000 ("Testosterone doesn't have to rule the world," - Az Democrat legislative idiot)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Why the heck are hollow points illegal????

The same reason land mines are outlawed. Because they do the job they are meant to do.
334 posted on 01/29/2006 6:04:05 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Vaquero

There are certain 9 loads that are every bit as effective as the .40 and .45. To say its "garbage" is either idiotic or ignorant.

And the FBI agents in Miami were also using .357 and .38 revolvers. The Agents killed were hit by .223 rounds in the chest and head, while the others who survived were hit in other parts of the body by the same caliber. .223 has its faults, but if shot in the head or chest with it, you are much more likely to die than if shot in the arm with it.

In other words, where the agents were hit with the rounds had more to do with them getting killed or just being injured than what handgun they were using. I know many police officers that choose the 9 over other loads they could carry if they desired. Although some agencies (Sec. Service comes to mind) have made the switch to the .357Sig, among others, not all agents dumped their 9. There are a LOT of Sig 228s out there.


335 posted on 01/29/2006 6:11:58 PM PST by 1L
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Fun thread. I've read every post.

FReeper Jeopardy Answer: U.S. Brings Back the .45

FReeper Jeopardy Question: "What thread is least likely to be found on DU?"

336 posted on 01/29/2006 6:27:30 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: holymoly
The use of hollowpoints is banned in international warfare by the Hague Convention of 1899

We wouldn't want to kill our enemy now would we

337 posted on 01/29/2006 6:30:52 PM PST by LukeL
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To: Squantos
For what it's worth as I type this a G21 with a streamlight M3 rail light is sitting on the desk next to me......:o)

Has anyone done any kind of study on just how well tactical lights mounted on handguns work? Most discussions I see about them quickly degenerate into flame wars, with one side talking about how you can see your target in the darkness, and the other side saying that all the light does is give the bad guy a target to shoot at.

My personal feeling (and I have no experience to back this up, it is purely opinion) is that the light is preferable if it's so bright that it dazzles and blinds the person you're pointing it at, renering him basically helpless for even a few seconds. Something like the flashlight I carry on my evening walks, an iNova T4, which is a rechargeable LED rated at 100 lumens. It is a blinding blue-white light - if I hit you in the face with the beam at typical indoor range at night, you will not be seeing anything for a few seconds. Of course, the light is eight inches long - a bit big for mounting on a pistol. But I could practice holding it and using the gun one-handed.

I'm looking to set my defense weapon (a SIG P239) up for night duty and am looking into the best options. I'm leaning toward flashlight carry with tritium sights (the SIG doesn't have rails, so mounting a light is out), but might be persuaded into checking out laser systems.

338 posted on 01/29/2006 6:32:41 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: gc4nra

Yes, it is a 9mm bullet in a necked down .40S&W cartridge, it has superior ballistic properties over the 9mm, much higher velocity, flatter trajectory and better penetration performance.


339 posted on 01/29/2006 6:36:51 PM PST by xander
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To: FreedomForce
Springfield's XD45ACP looks like it would fit the bill nicely. High capacity but avoids the problem of Glock's 45ACP grip(which is too large for a lot of people.)

+1 on the XD. Looks like HS Arms-errr...Springfield got this one to market just in time.

I carry a 1911 every day and love it, but an XD in .45 Auto is mighty appealing.

340 posted on 01/29/2006 6:48:24 PM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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