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Ready for $262/barrel oil?
yahoo ^ | 1-27-06

Posted on 01/27/2006 5:23:10 PM PST by LouAvul

DAVOS, Switzerland (FORTUNE) - Be afraid. Be very afraid.

That's the message from two of the world's most successful investors on the topic of high oil prices. One of them, Hermitage Capital's Bill Browder, has outlined six scenarios that could take oil up to a downright terrifying $262 a barrel.

The other, billionaire investor George Soros, wouldn't make any specific predictions about prices. But as a legendary commodities player, it's worth paying heed to the words of the man who once took on the Bank of England -- and won. "I'm very worried about the supply-demand balance, which is very tight," Soros says.

"U.S. power and influence has declined precipitously because of Iraq and the war on terror and that creates an incentive for anyone who wants to make trouble to go ahead and make it." As an example, Soros pointed to the regime in Iran, which is heading towards a confrontation with the West over its nuclear power program and doesn't show any signs of compromising. "Iran is on a collision course and I have a difficulty seeing how such a collision can be avoided," he says.

Another emboldened troublemaker is Russian president Vladimir Putin, Soros said, citing Putin's recent decision to briefly shut the supply of natural gas to Ukraine. The only bit of optimism Soros could offer was that the next 12 months would be most dangerous in terms of any price shocks, because beginning in 2007 he predicts new oil supplies will come online.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: arabs; bric; china; cis; coldwar2; communism; davos; energy; gasprices; gulfwariii; india; iraq; islamofascism; israel; kgb; libya; norigs; oil; oilembargo; opec; plentyoil; putinoil; russia; russianoil; saudiarabia; sco; soros; sovietunion; syria; terrorism; ussr; venezuela; waronterror; wot
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To: WOSG
Baloney. There is a LOT of US oil and gas that could be available that is off-limits solely for political reasons. ANWR has about 10 BILLION barrels of recoverable oil.

Calculated domestic production and consumption, with and without ANWR:

http://energy.senate.gov/legislation/energybill/charts/chart8.pdf

241 posted on 01/27/2006 10:10:30 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: WOSG

BTW I found another source that listed the top ten countries in terms of reserves. That number came to circa 900 billion barrels, but included about 175 billion barrels of Canadian tar sands in the total. There are another 45 nations with at least some reserves but those are mostly small numbers. This leaves us a long way from 3 billion and takes the OPEC numbers at face value.


242 posted on 01/27/2006 10:13:23 PM PST by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Monihan)
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To: zarf
You wanna see how fast Americans can switch to an alternative energy supply?

I've been saving my rubber bands.

243 posted on 01/27/2006 10:24:47 PM PST by auboy
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To: Mulder
If the world goes to war over this, it will be a terrible situation for all involved.

That's why peak oil was so feared. It implies armageddon.

244 posted on 01/27/2006 10:28:23 PM PST by txhurl (Gingrich/North '08)
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To: Dallas59

George Soros needs to take a walk to the end of the Santa Monica Pier and wait for the mothership. His wealth has taken his mind to Heaven's Gate territory.


245 posted on 01/27/2006 10:52:15 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: LouAvul

bttt


246 posted on 01/27/2006 11:57:07 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: ccmay

That is cheap. We'll see when I go look at it. The fall back deal is about $100/cord, cut to length but unsplit. It sounds like I've found a couple of guys who are getting on in years who either used to burn wood, or are looking to clear some land. There's also a guy up near Hartford who has several properties with felled trees that you could cut up and haul away for free. Unfortunately my chainsaw is like a toy and I don't have a splitter.

The going rate around here is $175 to $200 per cord delivered. Even at that rate, it's economical for me since a cord offsets 100 to 150 gallons of oil.


247 posted on 01/28/2006 2:06:06 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Never underestimate the speed in which the thin veneer of civilization can be stripped away.)
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To: The Duke

Nice mule. We sold off all of our horses 15 years ago when we moved to Virginia. Now that we are home again and the price of gas is so outrageous we are seriously thinking of getting another horse and buggy. It will be an all day trip to get to a store as the closest for large grocery buying is 23 miles away.


248 posted on 01/28/2006 4:53:51 AM PST by Dustbunny (Can we build it - Yes we can - Bob the Builder - Can we win it - Yes we can - Geo. W. Bush)
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To: Sunnyflorida
Its best to think of hydrogen as a battery"

Brilliant; for those of us that know what a battery is!

Right, Perhaps I should have said a bucket!

249 posted on 01/28/2006 7:11:29 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

The filthy demonrats dont want ANWR drilled,,, But the republicans have been running the government for the last 6 yrs and they persist in OBEYING the wishes of the filthy demomrats on not drilling in ANWR...

Someone whos a died in the wool republican party-man wanna tell us why??


250 posted on 01/28/2006 7:20:05 AM PST by brainstem223
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To: Jack of all Trades

A much better offset would be to buy options on oil furtures.

How much do you pay for heating oil? What has been the range this year? Do you have a labor rate for your time? Pick something. Any other costs? Depreciation on the stove? Maintenance?


251 posted on 01/28/2006 7:39:14 AM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: brainstem223
That chart tells a good part of the story:

http://energy.senate.gov/legislation/energybill/charts/chart8.pdf

domestic production in places like ANWR is controversial (polling consistently indicates that only around 35% of voters have a strong preference for doing so) and even best-case domestic production is pretty much a side-show in the big picture - it's just not worth spending the political capital.
252 posted on 01/28/2006 7:52:44 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: MilspecRob
"Right, Perhaps I should have said a bucket!"

I was thinking bathtub... :).

I just don't understand why people can be so ignorant when it comes to science or economics. When you put the two together it is astonishing. I got into this HUGE fight on redstate.org demonstrating that hybrids are an amazingly ridiculous economic decision. This got started when my wife showed me the price to replace her out of lease RX300 with an "h" model. Given the low marginal annual cost of driving at $2-4, the real major variable is the risk (lack of price history) of the resale value of hybrids.
253 posted on 01/28/2006 7:53:39 AM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

65% of those polled are dopes. You have to look at the marginal impact on prices. Plus that slide is devoid of critical info. You cannot show a usage slide with volume and time as the only two dimentions, you also have to calculate PRICE. At every price point that chart changes and the change is not linear

There is a supply denand CURVE, not a supply denand LINE.

Please people read thomas sowell. .


254 posted on 01/28/2006 8:10:54 AM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: Sunnyflorida
Sorry about the typos. I was writing the last without my glasses.

But the point is you cannot use a two dimensional analysis. You have to use more inputs. After katrina anybody with a smidgen of economics saw the impact of the margin. Unless you understand that you simply cannot understand energy economics (or any economics). It is a fundamental fact. Like the O in HtwoO.
255 posted on 01/28/2006 8:17:50 AM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: LouAvul

Pre-conditioning; common topic in the money market.


256 posted on 01/28/2006 8:23:11 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Mulder

That's assuming that the only supplies are the ones that are supplying now (less Iran and/or some other trouble spots). For that kind of bucks you will see even dead cats and dogs being processed into crude.


257 posted on 01/28/2006 8:26:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Mulder
1985 was the last year that we found as much oil as we used. Eventually, the crunch will hit.

That is not true. The world proved reserves of petroleum has continued to increase. In addition to meeting the increasing demand, the reserves continue to grow with new discoveries and improved technologies.

In 1985 the reserves stood at 700 billion barrels, today they are at 1293 billion barrels. This is a 85% increase in reserves while also supplying the demand. There has been a 28% increase in the last decade.

Proved Reserves By Region for Most Countries and World Total, January 1, 1980-January 1, 2005 Estimates, EIA

258 posted on 01/28/2006 8:33:24 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Sunnyflorida
Sure, all such estimates are subject to such considerations; increased price will certainly depress demand, increase the atractiveness of alternatives, increase domestic production (that is, accelerate depletion), and so on.

But look at the magnitude of that gap - reduce demand by 50% and it still swamps issues of domestic production, for example IMO in any sort of business case analysis anyone in their right mind would quickly disguard domestic production as a significant input into their decision making.

Something else, and a big something else, is going to have to change - or change us.

259 posted on 01/28/2006 8:36:11 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: palmer
When you hear estimates like "$80 / barrel" for shale oil, keep in mind those are usually calculated using $40 / barrel mideast oil to build and fuel equipment and extract the shale oil.

No, that is not how it works. Facilities do not typically buy fuel from somewhere else unless they are in the middle of an industrial area. On the Alaskan North Slope, at the Alberta Tar Sands, on platforms in the Gulf of Mexico and oil fields in the Middle East, natural gas and diesel from small topping plants are used to provide heat and run generators.

260 posted on 01/28/2006 8:48:10 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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