Posted on 01/26/2006 2:38:37 PM PST by Dark Skies
The Iranians are complaining about predator drones in their skies. No wonder this makes them nervous after the successful operation in Pakistan with them this week. Didn't the girls in the senate nix the nuclear bunker buster research that would be strong enough to penetrate the hardened bunkers in Iran? That is where I would point fingers, I think.
I think this whole war has been about Iran.We have encircled that country now. We did not attack Germany first in WWII. First we fought and beat the French in North Africa.
...."Iran first....."
I agree 100%. I've allways felt that way and could never understand Bush's obsession with Iraq while Iran was sitting there much more dangerous than Sadaam.
The plan would have already been done and Iran would have caved, if we didn't have terrorist democrats in our nation.
I see the war described in Ezekial 24 or 25 materializing before our very eyes.
We just need to 'invade' a few places for a short period of time to knock out the deep bunkers then, back-out.
There are only 2 real options, and which way we do it depends strictly on accurate intelligence.
If Iran already has deployable nuclear weapons (And I think that is a distinct possibility), you are correct.
If, however, it can be determined otherwise, only a ground invasion will do the job. It doesn't matter how deep they are buried when you carry the ordinance inside and light it from a mile away. It's the only way. I hear a lot of talk about "Bunker Busters", but I seriously doubt they will penetrate these facilities.
This is, of course, all based on MHO, not being an expert or having any intelligent data on what Iran has inside. Hopefully, W does know.
Not quite 600 days...
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When Iran has the bomb, to whom can that threat be credible?
Israel? Certainly.
Europe? Of course!
The US? Hardly.
But how about Mother Russia? Of course!
We, the leadership of Iran, recognize the Islamic government and our brothers fighting the infidel in Chechnya and support them totally.
Sorry, Putin is too smart not to know this, and Russia will give in if we don't allow this fall back position to proceed until fruition..
You are right. Tony Blair stood by George Bush and Britain shouldered a good portion of the burden of liberating Iraq (rightfully so since Britain in the 1920's post colonial era had a large part in creating "Iraq" and the social/cultural/political conditions that are so difficult to resolve there).
Britain is/was our only true ally in the western world and should NOT be mentioned in the same scornful breath as France and Germany.
Unfortunately the chattering classes and the press are equally insufferably arrogant in both Britain and America.
I also believe that, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, going against Iran will be untenable without full UN support. I believe that is why our Generals are starting to discreetly leak affirmation to the press that US troops are "stretched" in Iraq.
While we're at it, a surprise night strike against the mansions and Mercedes in the elite Tehran neighborhoods might take out a lot of the Mullah politburo.
ping
"I know I'm going to take flak for this, but from the beginning I wished President Bush had gone after Iran first.
I'm aware of all the arguments and rationale, but that's just the way I felt."
You are absolute right. In my humble opion the best order to deal with the axis of evil would have been:
North Korea - Iran - Iraq
After all it was Kim Jong-Il who was incredibly successful with only pretending to have a nuclear warhead (if he really had one, he would have done the same as India and Pakistan, test it first and then admit it afterwards), who encouraged Adolfinejad.
But that would have been a hugely unpopular campaign to sell that to the American public.
Good analogy
The words of Winston Churchill:
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
It is only "unthinkable" to dismiss an invasion with conventional forces if we are prepared to dismiss the notion of a nuclear-armed terrorist state as "unthinkable", as well.
No sanctions will stop Iran from its progress toward The Bomb now. They're too close.
No world opprobrium will have effect against them. They are too close.
Even a blockade of their oil ports will not stop them. They are too close.
There is only one thing that will quench the mullah's thirst for the power associated with possession of nuclear arms: The Bomb itself. And they are getting pretty damned close to having it at this point.
Having said that, there is only one solution that can STOP THEM from obtaining nuclear weapons at this late date, and we all know what that is:
Force.
Whether air power alone can inflict enough damage upon them to effectively block them from achieving their goals, I can't say. Perhaps nuclear air strikes would accomplish this, but I don't believe the United States, nor even Iran's sworn enemy of Israel, would risk the use of nuclear weapons in a first strike.
I daresay the ONLY way that may effectively end Iranian nuclear ambitions - not merely postpone them, but END them - must be an armed invasion that not only locates and destroys all their nuclear development strikes, but overthrows the Iranian leaders and nueters their military.
That means boots on the ground - hundreds of thousands of them. I don't believe the United States military is sufficiently strong enough at this time to accomplish this. Simply not enough feet to fill those boots. I could be wrong. Can one say, "draft"? (And by the way, I was drafted myself once, in 1970).
I'm just a dumb old guy. But I can see as much as I've said here. I'm able to see it because it's, well, obvious. Our leaders cannot see as much?
The Clinton administration disgracefully - traitorously - permitted the government of North Korea to go nuclear. But we would expect such malfeasance from them.
If the Bush administration diddles around much longer, I fear Iran may go nuclear, with eventual results much more devastating for the civilized world (as the author of the original article points out). What are they waiting for?
Remember Sir Churchill's warning!
- John
Not sure we can count on Turkey, but we've got them East, West, and from the water.
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