Posted on 01/25/2006 3:47:16 PM PST by bigsky
The Democrats are trying to "reframe" their message to make people think they believe abortion is wrong. I think this is going to be a hard sell if they plan to continue ferociously defending abortion-on-demand right up until the moment the baby's head is through the birth canal.
But both The New York Times and The Washington Post have recently run op-eds by liberals calling for Democrats to abandon their single-minded devotion to Roe v. Wade.
In the Post, Richard Cohen said it was time for liberals to "untether abortion rights from Roe." Cohen admitted that conservatives (and "some liberals," he claimed implausibly) have a point when they say abortion ought to be decided by the states. This is another way of saying abortion is not a constitutional right. Kate Michelman: Call your abortion mill!
In The New York Times, William Saletan gently counseled feminists that it was time to admit: "It's bad to kill a fetus." And they say liberals have no values!
Even Jimmy Carter, the Democrats' idea of an Evangelical Christian, has allowed that "I don't believe that Christ would approve of abortions." (Though Carter added that Christ would approve of abortion if "the mother's life or health was seriously endangered or the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest" -- or if Jesus really, really needed the feminists to vote for him.)
It's been a long time coming, but the Democrats are finally throwing the NARAL ladies off the boat.
One by one, the Democratic Party keeps having to abandon all the insane positions that have made it the funny, silly party we've come to know and love.
The gun control fanatics were thrown overboard after President Bill Clinton and a Democratic Congress passed the 1994 crime bill that banned so-called "assault weapons" -- i.e., otherwise completely legal semiautomatic weapons that looked scary to Dianne Feinstein.
As a result, the Democrats lost Congress for the first time in 40 years and lost the South forever. When is the last time you heard a Democrat use the words "gun control"?
In 1995, the new Republican Congress sent a welfare reform bill to Clinton, a man who had campaigned on "mend it, don't end it" and then refused to do anything about it.
Not one Democrat resigned from the Clinton administration when Clinton turned out to be molesting the help and committing lots of felonies. But a whole slew of them resigned to protest Clinton's signing the Republicans' welfare reform bill.
You never hear a peep out of Democrats anymore about restoring government welfare programs to their former glory.
Now it's the abortion ladies' turn.
As Saletan informed feminists in his Times column:
"You can tell yourself that the pro-choice majority stayed home in the last election, or that they voted on other issues, or that Democrats botched the debate. But those excuses are getting tired. Sixteen years ago, as the behavior of voters and politicians showed, abortion was clearly a winning issue for you. Now it isn't. You have a problem."
It's finally happened: Abortion stopped a bleeding heart.
I guess Sandra Day O'Connor's demand that "the contending sides" on abortion "end their national division" and accept the court's diktat in Roe didn't work out for her.
As Abraham Lincoln said of another moral blight on the nation supported by Democrats: You can "repeal the Declaration of Independence -- repeal all past history -- you still cannot repeal human nature. It will still be the abundance of man's heart, that slavery extension is wrong; and out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth will continue to speak."
Or, as Justice Antonin Scalia said, the court's refusal to overrule the lawless Roe decision would not stand because of "the twin facts that the American people love democracy and the American people are not fools."
With even liberals backing away from Roe, apparently the last group of people on Earth to realize the Supreme Court's abortion jurisprudence is a catastrophe is going to be the Supreme Court.
I don't know. I found the picture on the web. Th URL name says marzipan baby. Marzipan is a type of fondant (candy-type frosting stuff).
My daughter and I estimated that the baby measures 3" to 4" guaging by the size of the hand. That would be equivalent to a developing baby at 3 to 4 months...about the time of most abortions.
I've argued with a Democrat friend about this. His claim: it's not a human yet. It's a fetus. So while there is definately a moral issue at the heart of the debate I think it is more lack of basic logic that lets liberals hold a lot of their positions, including the abortion one. Someone trained in logic might ask these questions: 1) is a fetus human life (if not, what is it?) 2) is human life sacred and deserving of protection under law ? 3) QED a fetus is sacred and deserving of protection under law.
In my experience libs can't do basic logic like this, all they can do is "feel", "think" and "have opinions". There are exceptions, but this is the majority. (As we graduate fewer engineers and mathematicians and more womens studies majors I expect this trend will accelerate)
Or our own Patrick Henry:
"Pacifists are among the most immoral of men - they make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have." - Patrick Henry
As a result, the Democrats lost Congress for the first time in 40 years and lost the South forever. When is the last time you heard a Democrat use the words "gun control"?
She's definitely right about this. Even my own Senator Schumer hasn't said word one about this since he took his seat. And he was quite the loud mouth regarding this issue prior to his run against Al D'Amato.
Now it's the abortion ladies' turn.
May this be so.
"You can tell yourself that the pro-choice majority stayed home in the last election, or that they voted on other issues, or that Democrats botched the debate. But those excuses are getting tired. Sixteen years ago, as the behavior of voters and politicians showed, abortion was clearly a winning issue for you. Now it isn't. You have a problem."
Betty Friedan/Gloria Steinham: "A User's Manual."
I guess Sandra Day O'Connor's demand that "the contending sides" on abortion "end their national division" and accept the court's diktat in Roe didn't work out for her.
Shouldn't that read 'natural division'? How can you get to her position and say something so worthless about something so important?
As Abraham Lincoln said of another moral blight on the nation supported by Democrats: You can "repeal the Declaration of Independence -- repeal all past history -- you still cannot repeal human nature. It will still be the abundance of man's heart, that slavery extension is wrong; and out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth will continue to speak."
That was good to read. I think he also said that when a person speaks of choice, and doesn't take into account the sufferer of that choice, his words are less than worthless.
"Pacifists are among the most immoral of men - they make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have." - Patrick Henry
I like that quote and am filing it away for future use.
She is SO back on her game these days. Good one, Ann!
They don't try to dehumanize babies, they succeed in dehumanizing them. "Fetus" may be the "correct" term, but people don't go to the hospital to deliver their "fetus", they go there to deliver their new baby.
This is the first I have heard of this sorry practice.
Do you have a book or source on this?
How are "we" doing this by promoting Rudy Giulini for POTUS?
Who said ANYTHING about promoting him. I don't want him. From post #5 from the other thread Pissant wrote:
"Unfortunately, Guiliani will be the next Prez. Better than any democrat, but not my cup o tea."
I was giving you my political analysis, not my preferences. My preference would be Cheney, Tommy Franks, or Jeb or Brownback, at this stage.
Sorry Ann, but NARAL will never cease to pull the lever for any dim on the ticket.
Kerry won 16 states with the lowest birth rate. they all were red.
Huh?
In my recollection, "Bush" states are by definition "red". "Kerry" states are by definition "blue".
That WAS one of the funniest lines.....
Anyone tell Feinstein???? Guess not, since she drew the line in the sand on Supreme Court nominees yesterday by saying that "in this day and age, a person who supports a woman's right to choose cannot support Judge Alito."
Perhaps she can amend her position to comply with the op-ed writers call.
Went thru it once tonight already, if you are so inclined.
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