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[VOA]

"Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?"

If they devoutly follow the Koran and the Hadiths?
Well, it's probably above my paygrade to make that call.

[ClearBlueSky]

They keep saying it- plainly, honestly- and the STUPID among us refuse to hear it.
The speaker and everyone inside the mosque should be tracked down and arrested and deported to the most backward Islamic paradise we can find.
The mosque- and ALL mosques- should be bulldozed.
And we MUST start enforcing the laws against treason and sedition.

[Fishrrman]

"Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?"

Short and concise answer: No.

"Pious" Muslims will never be loyal to _any_ authority, government, or culture, other than that of Islam itself. The Quran commands nothing less.

I will go so far as to say that the same statement applies to the overwhelming majority of Mulisms everywhere, whether "pious" or somewhat less so.

- John

[mosquewatch.com]

Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?Of course not.

[rrrod]

NO

[andyk]

The venue was a mosque, not in Rawalpindi or Jeddah but in San Francisco.

Before the pervasiveness of moral relativism, this would've been an outrage. Although, I have a feeling that if more people knew what was being said in mosques, in our own country, things might be a little different.

[mc5cents]

The United States should declare Islam as a subversive organization with the intent of overthrowing the government of the U.S. and cause all people declared as Muslums to be "persona non grata" and export them!

I know that sounds extreme, but our very survival may depend on it. Would we have allowed declared Nazis in 1943 to remain in this country? I don't think so. In my opinion Islam is not as much a religion as it is a political organization. The daily prayer rituals etc are little more than a form of cult ritual. A way to keep the masses in line.

Kick em out!!

[freedumb2003]

Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?

No.

[IronJack]

Not and remain a "devout Muslim."

I think the bigger question is, does America need or want Muslim citizens?

[Saberwielder]

No.

[Natural Law]

I can remember a time when the same questions were asked of and about Catholics. I suppose the question has less to do with Islam and more to do with culture. For the most part the middle east does not have a history of nations or nationalism. The people there identify in the following order 1) family, 2) tribe, 3) sect, 4) Islam, 5) community, 6) nation.

[Minutemen]

Pious Muslim/Loyal American

An oxymoron- No?

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

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[Dr.Zoidberg]

No.

Ask the Imam

To become a citizen of US one has to take an oath of allegiance. is it ok to take the oath.

As Muslims, we are duty bound to follow our lives strictly according to Shari’ah. Whatever Shari’ah allows us to do, we will abide by that and whatever Shari’ah has restricted us from, we will refrain from it. Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘There is no obedience for the creation by disobeying the Creator.’ (Mirqaat vol.7 pg.217; Imdadiyyah).

Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shari’ah and Deen will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

AND

What place should the feelings of Patriotism and Nationalism have in a Muslim? Can a Muslim feel proud to be a citizen of his country and take part in Independence celebrations, etc.?

You are writing from the US, hence, we assume you are referring to the independence day of the US.

The US government is at open war with Islam and the Muslims. To honour their symbols, and revere the celebrations is not only Haraam (An Arabic word, used in Islam to refer to anything that is prohibited by the faith. ), there is fear that such an act will cause the participant to denounce his Imaan. Such a person may have difficulty in reciting the Kalimah at the time of death.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Excepted from Ask the Imam website

[Gritty]

Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?

Only about to the extent a Communist can be...

[Bender2]

The thing about Radical Islam is the way we seem to go out of our way to give it special protection as a religion...

If a Hardshell Baptists Minister called for the killing of people who did not follow the Baptists Creed, all hell would break loose!

If a Catholic Priest did the same, more hell...

I say when a religion goes past the spiritual, it is not a religion!

In the case of Radical Islam, it does not deserve protection... It deserves to be crushed!