Pastor admits molesting 2 girls

Monterey Herald ^ | 1/20/06 | GEORGE B. SANCHEZ

[cas7boys]

If he was in a different place it would be OK. There is no absolute right or wrong. All morality is decided upon by society.

what society considers it ok for a man to molest his own daughter?? and i am sorry, but i firmly believe morality is dictated by the Bible and God's law - society choses whether to live by those standards.

[Sloth]

Well at least he molested the opposite sex not as sick as molesting boys

What a bizarre thing to say. If he had molested boys, would you have replied "Well at least he just molested the boys, not as sick as dismembering & eating them"?

[wallcrawlr]

Its a real shame that people we know must be treated like strangers.

[MineralMan]

"Yes, there is a difference, but I can tell you, if you are a man who interracts with high school girls, you will experience the same situations.. perhaps not as agressively, but they will occur. The man has to be able to be the adult... because they will be tempted."

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I'm sure you're right about that. I think that all adults who have regular contact with adolescents need to be very sure of their ability to resist any such temptation. Pastors, teachers, youth leaders of all types.

I'm really thinking that the "never alone" rule should always be in place.

[Protagoras]

I disagree.

No you don't. The statement (which was made sarcastically) comes directly from your posts. You did not mean it sarcastically.

For a person in a leadership or authority position to sexually use a youngster under his leadership or authority is simply wrong, wherever you might be.

Directly opposite of what you just said.

While you are correct that society sets the rules of such things,

Nice try, I didn't say that.

RULES are not morality.

Hypothetically, if a man owns an island, and there are only a limited number of people there, and they all agree that it's not only legal, but moral, to molest children, it would be true, since all morality is decided by the people there.

That is the case you have made in the past.

[MineralMan]

"Hypothetically, if a man owns an island, and there are only a limited number of people there, and they all agree that it's not only legal, but moral, to molest children, it would be true, since all morality is decided by the people there.

That is the case you have made in the past."

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I have never made such a case. I am inalterably opposed to all sexual abuse of young people, and have always been. I don't know what you're attempting to do here, but you will not find a case where I have said that it would be OK to molest youngsters, under any circumstances.

[Protagoras]

but i firmly believe morality is dictated by the Bible and God's law - society choses whether to live by those standards.

The person who posted this attack on Christians disagrees with you, take it up with him. My comment was made in sarcastic disgust.

[g33k355]

>>There's too much of this stuff going on in all faiths. I've got to wonder why.<<

I can tell you why. It's because men are so easily led astray by their eyes. Our world is filled with porn on so many levels. Some men get addicted to this at such a level that can end up being destructive not only to themselves, but to all around them. It doesn't matter if you're an atheist or Christian, we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God....

I know of what I speak, my husband is on constant vigil to avoid all of this. Here's a website where they know intimately about this problem, http://www.everymansbattle.com

[Sensei Ern]

"So do the churches - they'd love to go back to the days of hush-money and simply sweeping it under the carpet."

I was thinking instead of gold changing hands, we use a little less valuable metal...lead...at a much faster velocity.

[Protagoras]

Nice try again.

I'll change the words a tad so you will be unable to mislead anyone here about your true intent and beliefs.

"Hypothetically, if a man owns an island, and there are only a limited number of people there, and they all agree that it's not only legal, but moral, to molest children steal, kill, lie, (add your own immoral behavior here), it would be true, since all morality is decided by the people there.

[Protagoras]

Morality proceeds solely from society.



1,819 posted on 12/21/2005 11:28:22 AM CST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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[MineralMan]

'I'll change the words a tad so you will be unable to mislead anyone here about your true intent and beliefs.

"Hypothetically, if a man owns an island, and there are only a limited number of people there, and they all agree that it's not only legal, but moral, to molest children steal, kill, lie, (add your own immoral behavior here), it would be true, since all morality is decided by the people there."

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I am not going to get into a discussion on this with you in this thread. Those are your words, not mine. I will say just this, and will not respond to any more of your attacks on me:

While details of behavioral ethics vary from culture to culture, few cultures vary from the basics of ethical behavior. Those that do are wrong. These basics include prohibitions on murder within the culture, care for the children of the culture, and respect for the property of others within that culture.

Here in the West, we have a pretty uniform set of rules, against stealing, murder, adultery, and child molestation, among others. These are universal in Western civilization because they work. There are, and have been, cultures which violate those rules. They are minor cultures, and are not ethical in their rules.

Please do not impugn me any further. I will take it very unkindly.

[MineralMan]

"Morality proceeds solely from society.
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Yes, I said that. That does not mean that I agree that child molestation is OK in any society. If a society has rules that allow it, that is an immoral society.

You are projecting something on me, for some reason.

[Celtic Conservative]

And a dead giveaway that you dislike Catholics was that you immediately assumed that it was a Catholic priest. During the recent (2003) coverage of the catholic child molestation problems there were at least 2 or 3 stories circulating about protestant preachers caught molesting children. The one I specifically remember is a preacher in Fla. getting caught having sex in a van with a 16 year old BOY. If not for the internet I would not have heard these stories. Why? because anti Catholic bias sells papers. It's the last acceptable prejudice (so don't sweat it pal, nobody will look down on you)

CC

[joesbucks]

I'm curious. What faith.

The practice of moving these guys around I believe happens only in the "centrally controlled" churches vs the independent churches such as the Baptist example in this story.

[Dewy]

An 80 year old!!!! Come here young-an!!!!

[MineralMan]

"I'm curious. What faith. "

It was a Presbyterian church. Since I was just a 16 year old kid, I didn't really learn exactly what went on. I do know that he was never charged for a crime.

I think this sort of thing has happened in all sorts of situations, or used to. It's embarrassing to the church or school or other youth organization and it gets swept under the rug to avoid bad publicity. We don't know about it because it's hidden.

I'm not sure, though. I only know, personally, about that single instance.

[MineralMan]

"During the recent (2003) coverage of the catholic child molestation problems there were at least 2 or 3 stories circulating about protestant preachers caught molesting children."

Actually, there were a lot more than 2 or 3 stories, and they involved not only pastors, but other people in contact with children in things like schools, scouting, etc. It's just that the Catholic priest scandals were at the top of the news because of the widespread nature of the charges.

[yldstrk]

dirty rotten SOB...may he burn in hell..if I was the parent of one of those girls...God help me...

[null and void]

Didn't mohammad marry a seven year old? (To his credit he waited until she was nine to consummate the marriage)...