Why we [should] care about Darwin wars

Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 1/19/'06 | David Klinghoffer

[betty boop]

If you're going to post stupid, provocative material, of course people are going to respond.

Hi RWP! So what's so "stupid" or "provocative" about Klinghoffer's article? Details, please!

[betty boop]

Thanks for the great post, ZC!

[betty boop]

I do, though, wish [Darwinists] would acknowledge [their fideism] like the Born Again Christians do, and witness that they accept on faith the teachings of their belief system.

Well, such honesty would be refreshing, Dan.

Thanks for your post!

[editor-surveyor]

Are you RWP's alter-ego?

[hosepipe]

[ If you're going to post stupid, provocative material, of course people are going to respond. ]

You continue to, "protest too much".. What a hard head..
I like that.. however.. at least you're not a wuss..

Caution: Academe can make you ignert..

[editor-surveyor]

Just kidding, you obviously misunderstood my ping ;o)

[Dan(9698)]

Are you RWP's alter-ego?

So --- Who is RWP?

[Dan(9698)]

...you obviously misunderstood my ping

I have been know to do things like that.

[editor-surveyor]

"So --- Who is RWP?"

Right Wing Professor

[betty boop]

I like that.. however.. at least you're not a wuss..

LOLOL hosppipe! Oh, I do agree with you there!

[manwiththehands]

"In erasing God's role from the history of biological existence, Darwinism erases a primary motivation to pursue scientific discovery."

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want to study our origins apart from a belief in God.

To explain our existence as merely a product of random chance and extremely "lucky" mutations seems so shallow and futile. Why would this planet be so fortunate? And if "evolution" is scientific "fact" then why have we still not seen any evidence to support it, on our planet and planets elsewhere? It just hasn't been seen - ever.

The universe I live in is orderly, makes sense, is governed by laws of physics and morality.

Even Einstein believed in God. I see intelligent design as simply a motivating tool to explore the mind of God.

[orionblamblam]

> I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want to study our origins apart from a belief in God.

Just keep in mind that your lack of understanding does not define the universe, and you'll do ok.

[Mulch]

Well, I guess you made a good try but not quite the answer I was looking for.

[orionblamblam]

> not quite the answer I was looking for.

That's life. The question now is what do you do with it. Two historical options:

Science: change or abandon your theory
Religion: fall into despair or assume that it was a trick of the Devil

Another option, of course, is to re-examine your question.

[Alamo-Girl]

I'm waiting for details, too...

[caffe]

excuse me? I am a proud creationist so putting me in the same category as Rightwing Professor is "beyond the pale"

[Elsie]

THE only category you are put in, is the one that you may have some interest in this thread's content; you got pinged along with members of BOTH sides of the discussion...

[Tulsa Ramjet]

"Gen 3:17-18
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;"

The scriptures cited do not refute what I wrote. Satan enticed Eve to engage Adam into a sexual relationship. That is why they were ashamed and were hiding. God wanted Adam and Eve pure, but their free will condemned them to parenting, and all the troubles associated with it.

"Rom 8:21-22
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."

Don't know why this was cited.



The clincher:

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (red letters indicate words spoken by the Christ in Christian)

(Mar?) Of course God made all knowing creatures male and female. How else would they perpetuate their existence to serve Him?

Here is the real question of this thread: Do you believe Adam and Eve, thus all mankind, were created around 4,000 years ago, per the biblical geneology? Regardless of archaeological records of civilizations thousands of years before in other areas? Are you just focusing on the Jewish People creation?

[Right Wing Professor]

Hi RWP! So what's so "stupid" or "provocative" about Klinghoffer's article? Details, please!

Read the thread. Or this.

[Hacksaw]

Some theists (just like some of many groups) are psychopaths or sociopaths, and have their urges held in check only by fear of inevitably going to hell after death.

I could just as easily say that some atheists are psychopaths/sociopaths, and have their urges held in check only by the threat of a lifetime in prison. His "point" was ridiculous, as they usually are. FWIW, I'd rather trust a person who holds his "urges" in check because of his desire to follow his god's law, and not simply because a cop may be looking.