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To: LibertarianInExile
The Union WAS NOT dissolved. Renegade treasonous plantation dependent snobs eventually got the point after they got their foppish southern a-sses kicked by an alcoholic General and a po' white trash Commander in Chief.

God bless Abraham Lincoln and the GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC!

153 posted on 01/19/2006 3:22:57 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: Clemenza
'White trash' is a curious way to describe Grant. He certainly had come down in the world by 1861. Without the war he would have remained a lost soul mostly dependent on the charity of his snotty brothers and his in laws. But he came from typical middle class stock that happened to live on the north side of the Ohio River (although just barely).
157 posted on 01/19/2006 3:27:05 PM PST by robowombat
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To: Clemenza
Well, as long as you're using that logic, I suppose that the first German Empire was never dissolved--the Krauts simply took Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland back, and then gave `em back again, and the Krauts just need to rise up and take `em again and it'll all be the same as it ever was. And I'm sure that the Irish will be happy to hear that they have never truly been Irish, that they're still citizens of the UK, only thing missing is the UK pointing a gun at them to make them join up again. And of course, I know the Algerians and Vietnamese will be downright ecstatic to hear they're still French, since all that's missing is the French to swoop down and bomb them into submission and they'll be Frenchmen.

Yes, it is a wonderful thing, how you can just ignore that whole war as if it didn't dissolve the Union, when the fact is that the Union has been dissolved since 1861. The thing in place since is a bastardization of the Founders' intent, no Union of States, but a mongrel fusion of rule by oligarch and rule by mob. You may pretend otherwise all you wish. But however the Constitution may be flawed, it's a whole lot better than what we have now.


164 posted on 01/19/2006 3:48:12 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if ya don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Clemenza

What an absolutely hateful SOB you are.


189 posted on 01/20/2006 12:11:16 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Clemenza

The United States was saved from scheming, pro-slavery, insurrectionist politicians.

201 posted on 01/20/2006 5:49:28 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is Never Free)
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