Posted on 01/19/2006 7:49:37 AM PST by x5452
Crimean Tatars Call On Kyiv To Restore Their Rights 12 December 2005 -- Members of the Crimean Tatar Congress gathered in the main Crimean city Simferopol said yesterday that Ukraine's integration with the West should not go forward until Kyiv restores Tatar rights.
Congressional delegates, issuing a statement at the end of the three-day session, accused Ukrainian authorities of disregarding the rights of Crimean Tatars, who were deported en masse by Soviet leader Josef Stalin in 1944.
RFE/RL's Tatar-Bashkir Service reported that congress member Timur Dagci was among the voices calling for Kyiv to recognize the deportation as genocide:
"Our problem -- the problem of Stalin's genocide of the Crimean Tatar people -- is an undeniable fact, so I believe all countries, the United Nations, and the European Union will recognize it and will decide that it was indeed genocide," Dagci said.
Many Tatars have since returned to Crimea, but have been unable to reclaim valuable land and property that was theirs before the deportations.
The Tatar Congress delegates called on the Council of Europe and the European Union to make Ukraine's possible membership in the EU and World Trade Organization contingent on their recognition of Crimean Tatar rights.
(RFE/RL's Tatar-Bashkir Service/Interfax)
Ok the leaflets contain schematics for a do it yourself dirty bomb.
Still ok?
Legally it'd come under clear and present danger, the law would rule against it, there are instances when speech isn't protected, and nations have a right to say when that scenerio is.
You are simply letting your own personal biases get in the way of reality. Simmer down and read the sources. If you are not willing to read the sources and they are all there - then you have no business in this discussion.
The Stalin-era famine in Ukraine was instigated as much by Ukrainian and other Commies as by russian ethnic Commies.
Stalin and Kaganovich were the sinister brains behind the genocide and neither is Russian.
1. Soviet leaders especially at times of genocide were mainly NON Russians.
2. The numbers aren't what is important. What is important that just like when the Catholics sacked constaninople, the Poles were doing this for RELIGIOUS reasons.
3. There are Ukranians in crimea right now who are protesting Yushchenko's actions, and they've been doing so since the election!
4. The filioque is heretical, and killing someone for not repeating heresy is plain and simple EVIL.
1. Yada, yada, there were Russians as Soviet leaders. The blame for Soviet leadership lies with all Soviets, not with Russians or Georgians or Mongols or Koreans or whatever. By trying to absolve people of Russian ethnicity of ALL blame for Soviet atrocities just makes your point seem silly.
2. The numbers ARE important. The Russians committed atrocities on their neighbours, the Poles did, everyone did, so if you want to make it a blame-game we're never going to get anywhere. And, again, you go into a nice little twist when you say "Catholics" sacked Constantinople -- they were Western Europeans under the thumb of the Doge of Venice, if you want to blame "Catholics", that's the same as someone blaming "Russians" for the Soviets. Read some history too -- the sacking was the handiwork of the Doge of Venice who disliked the Byzantines because the Byzantines had gouged his eyes out. It was a political war, not a religious.
3. Yes, that's a democratic process -- people disagree.
4. And why do you think it's heretical? I say it's a misunderstanding of words between the Latins and the Greeks compounded by it not being added after an ecumenical council. Furthermore do you even know that the Filioque isn't used in the VAtican itself or in the Eastern Catholic Churches (like the Maronite)? You're just using the Filioque as an anti-Polish call without any interest beyond using it as a bludgeon to prevent any reconciliation between Poland and Russia. No wonder the Poles and Ukrainians distrust you. No wonder you are pushing the Poles and Ukrainians to think that the Turks would be better. The blame seems to lie with you.
Actually, I've found the same issue for Russians and Poles (and other ethnicities too), so don't worry -- you Ruskies and Poles are pretty darn similar. Perhaps THAT's why you fight so much! It's like a family feud.
Seems you changed your tune to accusing me of lieing that persecution happened to now excusing it. The fact is, minorities were persecuted, Orthodox churches burned and opposition parties put in concentration camps. A Fascist policy if there ever was one.
Poland is supporting groups that will be friendly to Poland. The farse of "democracy" in Ukraine proves that. Yushchi is nothing more then a Third Way Socialist.
No difference? Except for concentration camps and church burning and forced catholization of the Orthodox...oh nothing then that.
Nice Yushchi photos, aint it something he can't even get 14% backing in the Polls...just one year later. Guess the people saw the Socialist for what he is, now that he's ruined their economy. Half his own party has defected into another opposition branch. Yup, you picked a real winner.
None of this should be the least surprising. Yushchenko did the exact same thing in 2001 as PM, answering first and foremost to the IMF.
Sounds exactly like what you said about Yanukovich...so congratulate yourself on hypocracy.
Yeah, if Bereza Kartuska was concentration camp then Guantanamo is one, too. With views like that who needs Dems?
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