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Calif. School Scraps 'Intelligent Design' [El Tejon litigation]
The Dispatch (Lexington, N.C.) ^ | 17 January 2006 | JULIANA BARBASSA

Posted on 01/17/2006 11:24:31 AM PST by PatrickHenry

A rural school district agreed to stop teaching a religion-based alternative to evolution as part of a court settlement filed Tuesday, a legal group said.

Frazier Mountain High School will stop teaching a philosophy class discussing the theory of "intelligent design" this week and won't teach it in the future, said Ayesha N. Khan, legal director for Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Officials at the El Tejon Unified School District were not immediately available for comment.

A federal judge in Fresno had been scheduled to hold a hearing Tuesday afternoon on whether to halt the class midway through the monthlong winter term.

A group of parents sued the district last week, saying it violated the constitutional separation of church and state by offering "Philosophy of Design," a course taught by a minister's wife that advanced the theory that life is so complex it must have been created by God.

"The course was designed to advance religious theories on the origins of life, including creationism and its offshoot, 'intelligent design,'" said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court.

In a landmark lawsuit, Americans United for Separation of Church and State had successfully blocked Dover, Pa., schools last month from teaching intelligent design in science courses. [Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al..]

El Tejon school officials had claimed the subject was proper for a philosophy class.

The high school in the Tehachapi Mountains about 75 miles north of Los Angeles draws 500 students from a dozen small communities.

Sharon Lemburg, a social studies teacher and soccer coach who was teaching "Philosophy of Design," defended the course in a letter to the weekly Mountain Enterprise.

"I believe this is the class that the Lord wanted me to teach," she wrote.

Similar battles are being fought in Georgia and Kansas. Critics of "intelligent design" say it is biblical creationism in disguise, but defenders argue it is based on science and doesn't require adherence to any religious belief.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bibleidolatryloses; biblethumpers; creationisminadress; crevolist; evolution; goddooditamen; ludditefundies; scienceeducation; setbackforkooks; superstitions; yeccultists
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
My *opinion* is a fact . . .

Fortunately most scientists don't think so.

301 posted on 01/18/2006 7:28:11 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Fortunate Placemarker


302 posted on 01/18/2006 7:30:14 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Fortunately most scientists don't think so."

Most scientists DO agree with me. Only a handful agree with you.


303 posted on 01/18/2006 7:35:44 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Most scientists would consider your "opinion" to be "fact?" Not very objective of them.


304 posted on 01/18/2006 7:42:24 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Syncretic
How would you go about creating a conscious being, either human or non-human, in the lab?

I don't know. As I said, it is a hunch that it will come to pass. The basis for my guess is that people are so very clever - when we put our minds to something, even something as mysterious as consciousness, we very often succeed.

305 posted on 01/18/2006 7:43:55 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Most scientists would consider your "opinion" to be "fact?" Not very objective of them."

Most scientists understand that God is outside the realm of scientific inquiry. They do not include God in their theories, even when they personally believe in God. They are intelligent enough to know what science's limitations are.


306 posted on 01/18/2006 7:48:51 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry; jennyp
But nothing that primitive could ever survive into such a technological era as the one...

Oh, right!

307 posted on 01/18/2006 7:55:48 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Most scientists understand that God is outside the realm of scientific inquiry.

A good many of them adopt an opinion similar to yours, yes. Does that make them more scientific than someone who does not share your opinion and theirs?

308 posted on 01/18/2006 8:01:12 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: mlc9852
Well, perhaps some evolutionists have a political agenda.

Of course some do. I never claimed that "evolutionists" (whatever that means) are all saints.

But ID exists solely to pursue a political agenda. It was created for a political purpose, not borne out of a study of the evidence.

Surely you recognize the distinction?

309 posted on 01/18/2006 8:01:16 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"A good many of them adopt an opinion similar to yours, yes. Does that make them more scientific than someone who does not share your opinion and theirs?"

The vast majority of scientists believe as I do. And yes, when someone believes otherwise that does make their ideas less scientific.


310 posted on 01/18/2006 8:04:58 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: highball

I recognize some scientists believe in God and some don't.


311 posted on 01/18/2006 8:06:05 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: metmom
There are other species that are as intelligent as humans we are told

You are told wrong. People are much, much smarter than all other living things. Our capacity for culture and language far surpass theirs. There is a vast gulf in many mental qualities. But, I don't know if our capacity of awareness and self awareness is as much superior.

Wouldn't this be the expected end result of evolution in all creatures?

No. Evolution drives species apart in qualities.

312 posted on 01/18/2006 8:06:24 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

What makes you and your massive array of fellow scientists qualified to judge whether God is, or is not, beyond the purview of science?


313 posted on 01/18/2006 8:06:33 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Fester Chugabrew
Re: post 193: "...There used to be people called creationists who didn't like science. No, I kid you not. Such people once existed. They worshiped a book instead of examining the world around them."

No, you originally did not say *creationist leaders*, in your post #193, you said *creationists* . You only added the *leaders* part in post #286. Nice try.

314 posted on 01/18/2006 8:10:01 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mlc9852
I recognize some scientists believe in God and some don't.

And what exactly does that have to do with having a political agenda?

More precisely, what does that have to do ID having been created specifically to advance a political agenda?

315 posted on 01/18/2006 8:11:28 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"What makes you and your massive array of fellow scientists qualified to judge whether God is, or is not, beyond the purview of science?"

It's not about *qualifications*; it's about logical arguments. Your side has none. My side does. Your side is very much alone.


316 posted on 01/18/2006 8:13:30 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry
I just checked. It hasn't been posted, at least by searching for threads with "Ayn Rand" in the title. Yes, it deserves a thread. But who gets pinged? It doesn't fit my lists.

Pointers to this speech have been posted before during Ayn Rand discussions, and gotten airtime therefrom. I think she's gotten her fair due at FR.

317 posted on 01/18/2006 8:15:45 AM PST by donh
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To: metmom
"No, you originally did not say *creationist leaders*, in your post #193, you said *creationists* . You only added the *leaders* part in post #286. Nice try."

I was writing a parody of someone else's post. As I did qualify it later, your insistence on ignoring my qualification is not exactly intellectually honest. Nice try.
318 posted on 01/18/2006 8:15:52 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: highball

I just don't get exactly what you mean by "political agenda" that ID people have. How do you think politics is involved?


319 posted on 01/18/2006 8:16:29 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: edsheppa

If evolution drives species apart in qualities, then why are evolutionits so focused on the similarities of the species as proof for common descent? It may drive them apart in physical characterists to some small degree, but genetically they share much of the same characteristics, as we are constantly being told.


320 posted on 01/18/2006 8:18:05 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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