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SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS OREGON'S SUICIDE LAW
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Posted on 01/17/2006 7:07:26 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

BREAKING ON THE AP WIRE:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.


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To: Gondring
I'm not sure but there is often a hint of hypocrisy on these threads.
901 posted on 01/17/2006 8:03:48 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don't want to have to apply for a Federal license if I want to "pull the tubes", so to speak. Also, the avenue the AG chose (enforcement of Federal drug laws) was very problematic. This decision was sound, and constitutionally grounded, IMO.


902 posted on 01/17/2006 8:04:37 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie because he didn't bake one.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

"Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority, said the federal government does, indeed, have the authority to go after drug dealers and pass rules for health and safety."

Suicide is now, by definition for health and safety. Lovely. /sarcasm


903 posted on 01/17/2006 8:15:42 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
Suicide is now, by definition for health and safety. Lovely. /sarcasm

Ain't it?

904 posted on 01/17/2006 8:17:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: bvw
This is just bull manure. A right is a right, a duty is a duty. Do you think Thomas Jefferson thought "your right to liberty is a duty to protect that liberty and use it to good -- to godly -- ends?" First off, define "godly." Jefferson was not a Christian. He did not believe that the Bible was the divine revelation of God. He did not believe that Jesus was the son of God. He did not believe in miracles or in Heaven or Hell. He believed that God started the universe but from then on did not intervene. He wrote and believed in "Nature's Law" and "Nature's God." He also believed in freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, and freedom to decide one's own destiny. "Godly ends." Only in your revisionist dreams. A right is a duty? Yes and I suppose you could claim that black is white if you felt such was needed to win your argument, but that wouldn't make it right. A "right" is a "right." A "duty" is a "duty." A right to life is not a duty to live. A right to pursue happiness is not a duty to pursue happiness. A right to liberty is not a duty to be free. Do we all have a duty to protect these rights? I think so if we want to live in a decent society. Do we have a duty to do something like pursue happiness, or be "godly" as you say? I don't think so. Do we have some duty to live in agonizing pain? Maybe that is a duty in your religion. If that is a duty in your religion, then abide by your religion. But do not impose your religious duties on anyone else.
905 posted on 01/17/2006 8:18:26 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: SoFloFreeper

I recommend that all those Dimocratz still totally bummed out by GWB's 2004 re-election immediately move to Portland and evaluate their options for dealing with their visions of gloom and doom. After all, it is tttthhhhhrrrreeeeeeeee more looooooooong years of GWB. Just think of the peace you could enjoy.


906 posted on 01/17/2006 8:21:03 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: arasina
How is it different than abortion aside from the fact that it is at the other end of life's spectrum? And when did God give His permission to relieve someone's pain by 'giving' them death?

Well, for one thing, it is different because these people are specifically asking for assistance in dying painlessly while the unborn child is killed without any say in the matter.

The Terri Schiavo case was totally different because there was no proof that Terri Schiavo wanted such a death.

The individuals who elected to jump from the Twin Towers on 9/11 instead of burning to death chose a less painful death and I'm not going to judge whether or not God gave His permission for those people to do that or not. That is strictly between them and God. The rest of us have no role in judging lest we be judged.

You should also consider that, once you allow yourself to inject your own personal belief system into the Constitution, regardless of what the Constitution says, you are buying into the "I saw a penumbra" school of constitutional interpretation that brought about Roe v. Wade with Supreme Court Justices injecting your own personal (liberal) belief system into the Constitution, regardless of what the Constitution said.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government should decide such matters just as nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government should decide issues of abortion.

Once you advocate putting words into the mouth of the Constitution because that advances your own personal belief system, you have just approved the manner in which Roe v. Wade was decided.

907 posted on 01/17/2006 8:30:18 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Fishtalk

Um, so you're saying that all these terminally ill people have miraculously been hanging on until now to commit suicide? I don't think so.

My point is that even with the option there, very few people are choosing it. There simply isn't a big rush to die. Even people in immense pain are looking at it and saying, no, I've decided not to. Opponents had claimed the opposite -- people would line up by the thousands to commit suicide.


908 posted on 01/17/2006 8:32:50 PM PST by Gone GF
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To: muawiyah

"When the outcome of a judicial decision is that an innocent person will die, it is the wrong decision every single time."

Innocent of what? Innocence doen't come into play. We're talking folks in emormous pain or so terminally ill medical intervention will bankrupt survivors. You think they should be forced to live no matter what?


909 posted on 01/17/2006 8:36:07 PM PST by Gone GF
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To: muawiyah
All of which is irrelevant to this case. The 6 killer judges were of the opinion that Congress had not granted John Ashcraft authority to do what he did when it came to controlled substances.

They ruled that the use of controlled substances in such cases, as opposed to the use of controlled substances for recreational purposes, was within the realm of the practice of medicine and they further ruled that, traditionaly, the practice of medicine has been left to state regulation unless specifically legistated by Congress as is the case when the practice is paid for by Medicare.

You will note that doctors must obtain STATE licenses to practice medicine in each of the 50 states and that there is no such thing as a FEDERAL license that allows you to practice medicine in all 50 states.

910 posted on 01/17/2006 8:41:46 PM PST by Polybius
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To: bvw
The Declaration is a Bill of Duties

Again, it stated the reason for the revolution, but was not part of the Constitution. But you apparently support not allowing confessions from the guilty and forcing every citizen to own a gun. There is obviously a duty to exercise the rights in the 2nd and 5th Amendments.

911 posted on 01/17/2006 8:46:35 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: BykrBayb
LOL - I wonder how many people will be too lazy to read it for themselves, and just take your word for it.

I hope none. I'm a Groklaw type, I like the original source there for everybody to read, and I expect those commenting to have read it (unless they give an honest disclaimer of withholding judgement).

912 posted on 01/17/2006 8:48:36 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: conservative physics

It's the year 2022... People are still the same. They'll do anything to get what they need. And they need SOYLENT GREEN.


913 posted on 01/17/2006 9:12:53 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (- .... . / -.. . -- --- -.-. .-. .- - / .--. .- .-. - -.-- / .. ... / .- / -.-. .... .. .-.. .-)
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To: BlazingArizona
And I suppose that you, and John Ashcroft, know what God's will is?

I absolutely do know what God's will is regarding the Oregon law. It's the same as his will regarding the court decision that legalized the murder of unborn babies. He made it very clear in the sixth commandment. The original Hebrew translates to, "You shall do no murder".

Assisting a person in the commission of suicide is morally equivalent to the crime of accessory to murder, and Oregon physicians are now legally free to assist in the commission of suicide by prescribing the necessary drugs to facilitate the killing.

When other states join Oregon and start jumping on the euthanasia bandwagon it will be a race to the bottom to see who can murder the most human beings each year, the hired killers in the abortion mills or the ghoulish doctors who will be making a mint by prescribing death drugs for senile octogenarians who have become nuisances to their family caretakers.

914 posted on 01/17/2006 9:16:22 PM PST by epow (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty, II Cor 3:17)
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To: cccp_hater
Thanks. I only wish that the Oregon doctors would take that oath seriously. But with the money they'll now be raking in for a few seconds of scribbling indecipherable gibberish on a scrap of paper I know it's not gonna happen.
915 posted on 01/17/2006 9:23:26 PM PST by epow (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty, II Cor 3:17)
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To: cccp_hater
Re: Your post of the classical version of the Hippocratic Oath.

The classical version of the oath has limited applicability to modern physicians, according to a 1993 study by Robert Ro, M.D. and Norman Pang, M.D.

They surveyed 157 deans of schools of medicine in Canada and the United States regarding the use of the Hippocratic Oath. Their findings:

98% of schools administered some form of the Oath.
Only one medical school used the original Hippocratic Oath.
68 schools used versions of the original Hippocratic Oath.
100% of current Oaths pledge a commitment to patients.
Only 43% vow to be accountable for their actions.
14% include a prohibition against euthanasia.
11% invoke a deity.
8% prohibit abortion.
Only 3% prohibit sexual contact with patients

From http://www.bloodbook.com/hippoc.html:

916 posted on 01/17/2006 9:35:05 PM PST by TChad
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To: epow
I lost my wife to cancer 8 years ago. In the end she was in incredible pain. Her doctor put her in the hospital, plugged the morphine, and stopped the pain. She was sent home with a morphine pump and was relatively painfree till she left us.
Sad as it was, her last three weeks were good in that lotsa love was in our home and all of us had our time with her.
Thank God for a Doctor that knew what he was doing,and cared, and for those amazing people from Hospice.
My point with all of this is that dying doesn`t have to be painful and every extra day we have with those that are close to us are valuable beyond words.
917 posted on 01/17/2006 9:40:01 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: don-o
you beat me to it...that was, of course, the argument used (just reminding everybody!)

what's the point of having a Constitution at all if some states can say that certain lives can be taken??

918 posted on 01/17/2006 9:47:07 PM PST by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: arasina

"I do not believe it is right or moral to help people kill themselves, no matter how much pain they are experiencing"

Thank goodness no one asked you to. It's between a patient and their doctors to decide not you or I. If you don't like Oregon's law move to Oregon and vote to overturn it. But your answer is bring in the feds and force Oregonians to do what you want because you say so, not because its unconstitutional but because it goes against your belief system.


919 posted on 01/17/2006 10:00:14 PM PST by cccp_hater (Just the facts please)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Roberts holds true.. however, even if Alito was on the court and voted with them it wouldnt have mattered. We need a few others to leave.
920 posted on 01/17/2006 10:07:52 PM PST by Pimpmygop (The right way is not always the nice way!)
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