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SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS OREGON'S SUICIDE LAW
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Posted on 01/17/2006 7:07:26 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

BREAKING ON THE AP WIRE:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.


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To: dirtboy
I was kind of disappointed with Thomas here. He properly threw a barb at the majority for flip-flopping from Raich. However, he voted AGAINST them on Raich - and votes against them here - which is puzzling in its own right. And he gave no clear rationale for his dissent, other than he didn't follow the majority's reasoning.

Although he didn't explicitly say it, I think part of the reason Thomas sorta goes along with Raich here is that a bad rule enforced arbitrarily is worse than a bad rule enforced consistently. Requiring that those who make rules must accept their consistent enforcement is something of a check against bad rules. Not that it works perfectly--or even close to it--but without that check rulemakers can produce so many rules that anybody can be prosecuted at any time for at least 'something', if such is the prosecutor's whim.

Guess I'll have to read Scalia's dissent to get the legal reasoning.

Thomas joined in Scalia's dissent, and so didn't feel any need to say in his own the things that were already said there.

881 posted on 01/17/2006 7:20:05 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Pondman88

Not in any institution I have practiced at. While most physicians are liberal with pain meds with dying patients, in 20 yrs I can say I know of no instances where extra medication was given with the intention of causing death.

Thank God I do not live in Oregon, because I hope never to see it. As this is not legal in my state, I would turn anyone who deliberately caused death (no matter what the circumstances) over to the ethics board of their institution and the state liscensing board, and I would do it without hesitation.


882 posted on 01/17/2006 7:23:57 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: SoFloFreeper

Although I detest this law, this is a really good ruling at first glance. It protects states rights and shows much judicial restraint.


883 posted on 01/17/2006 7:26:55 PM PST by CarlEOlsoniii (Janice Rogers Brown for PRESIDENT!)
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To: JCEccles
"What prevents it from being first degree murder in Oregon is not any issue related to premeditation or innocence. Rather, it is the patient's supposed acquiescence to the act."

Actually what prevents it from being a crime in Oregon at all is that this action was codified into law by the voters of Oregon through Measure 16 of 1994 which established Oregon's Death with Dignity Act. (Oregon is one of the few states with a public ballot initiative system). The Oregon state legislature even sent the issue back to the people in 1997 and the proposed measure which would have overturned the death with dignity act of 1994 was defeated by 60% of Oregon voters.

Attorney General John Ashcroft then told Oregon doctors that should they prescribe lethal doses of drugs to patients they could have their medical licenses revoked and be prosecuted under federal law. This is where the SCOTUS case comes in.

Ashcroft claims he has, under his authority, the ability to determine what a legal use for legally prescribed drugs is, rather than states determining for themselves what a proper use for a legally prescribed drug is. The big question: Can the Attorney General arbitrarily claim what proper uses for which a legal drug can be prescribed?

The SCOTUS says no...congressional matter. At least thats my take...feel free to point out flaws.
884 posted on 01/17/2006 7:27:31 PM PST by cccp_hater (Just the facts please)
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To: F16Fighter
This is a tough one...and seems wrong UNTIL you're the one in excruciating chronic pain.

I can't see judging this as assisted "murder."

You need to think about this some more, Pookie. How is it different than abortion aside from the fact that it is at the other end of life's spectrum? And when did God give His permission to relieve someone's pain by 'giving' them death? (Oh ye, of little faith!) Fuh shame.

P.S. I draw the line here.

885 posted on 01/17/2006 7:29:18 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: eastforker
I agree, but most everyone here cheered the USSC decision not to get involved in TW case or the one yesterday in California. Now they are sad that they did not get involved with Oregon. I think they were right in both decisions.

Were they right in the Raich case?

Thomas' argument is that there is no reasonable basis for the Court to decide that states don't have the power to decide that something is a "legitimate medical use" for a plant the fedgov like like, but then decide that they do have the power to declare that inducing death is a "legitimate medical use" for drugs the Court does like.

886 posted on 01/17/2006 7:29:33 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Bushbacker

It's a historical document. It has no legal standing whatsoever. And the legality (or rather the Constitutionality) of a SC decision is the subject of this thread.


887 posted on 01/17/2006 7:31:57 PM PST by Borges
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To: arasina

"And when did God give His permission to relieve someone's pain by 'giving' them death?"

Technically Jesus was immortal...God gave, his son, Jesus his permission to die, thus relieving us all.


888 posted on 01/17/2006 7:33:25 PM PST by cccp_hater (Just the facts please)
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To: cccp_hater

That's not what I meant.


889 posted on 01/17/2006 7:35:44 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Liberals on the court just destroyed the constitution today. The so-called INALIENABLE right to life is gone, it can now be given away according to these liberal activist idiot judges.


890 posted on 01/17/2006 7:35:59 PM PST by CaliGangsta
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To: supercat

Not familiar with the Raich case.As far as I am concerned though I think each state should have their own authority about any drug issue.The USSC was established to uphold the constitution and make sure all sates adhered to it. So if it is not already addressed in the constitution then the feds need to back off and let state law prevail.


891 posted on 01/17/2006 7:38:23 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: AuH2ORepublican
The DOI of course has no legal standing in this country. It has no bearing on our legal rights. Whatever the beliefs of the Founding Fathers individually The US Constitution is a throughly secular document. There have been movements throughout our history to amend the Preamble to the Constitution and mention God explicitly. This has always been turned down.
892 posted on 01/17/2006 7:40:13 PM PST by Borges
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To: arasina

All joking aside.

Do you think God gives out painful deaths to people who deserve it and non-painful deaths to the faithful? Would you deny a faithful person a less painful death simply because they happened to have a rare bone cancer?

It's a question of whether every event in the universe has been designed by God down to every little detail as to produce the most just outcome. I, personally, do not believe that God intentionally kills certain people with a specific disease to prove a point, but I could be wrong.

It's kind of the Pat Robertson, Ariel Sharon comment question. Did Ariel Sharon have a stroke because he gave Gods land away, or does it have more to do with his lifestyle eating habits and the drugs he was taking. Now it could be both, but I prefer to view the latter as closer to the universe I live in.


893 posted on 01/17/2006 7:43:18 PM PST by cccp_hater (Just the facts please)
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To: muawiyah
The ruling didn't touch on state's rights. Instead, in touched on John Ashcraft.

"Congress did not have this far-reaching intent to alter the federal-state balance.".......Justice Anthony M. Kennedy

"....attempt to regulate general medical practices historically entrusted to state lawmakers"......9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals

What article or amendment to the Constitution takes the regulation of medicine within in a state out of state hands and puts it in the hands of the Federal Government?

None.

That is exactly the reason why Roe v. Wade is a ruling without a constitutiuonal basis.

894 posted on 01/17/2006 7:44:41 PM PST by Polybius
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To: eastforker
Not familiar with the Raich case.As far as I am concerned though I think each state should have their own authority about any drug issue.The USSC was established to uphold the constitution and make sure all sates adhered to it. So if it is not already addressed in the constitution then the feds need to back off and let state law prevail.

In the Raich case, some people in California argued that the production of canabis in California for the consumption of people in California, as authorized under California law, is not legitimately subject to federal jurisdiction. The Supreme Court, with Thomas dissenting, declared that it was.

Thomas' argument was that there's no legitimate basis for deciding that states do not have the authority to find that marijuana has "legitimate medical use", but do have the authority to declare that causing death is a "legitimate medical use".

In other words, if the Court is going to stomp upon state's authority, it should not then be allowed to claim such authority when doing so would bolster its own ideological position.

895 posted on 01/17/2006 7:44:57 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Polybius

All of which is irrelevant to this case. The 6 killer judges were of the opinion that Congress had not granted John Ashcraft authority to do what he did when it came to controlled substances.


896 posted on 01/17/2006 7:47:30 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

You can go jump off a cliff.

I can't stop you, and God Himself won't stop you.

But it's not alright for you to take America's fundamental commitment to the protection of life and liberty with you.

Murder, including self-murder, should remain against the law as it has always been in this country.

Suicidal thoughts are crazy thoughts...

The Left in America has lost its collective mind...and here, obviously, libertarians have joined in the lunacy.


897 posted on 01/17/2006 7:48:34 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: cccp_hater
I thought the discussion was about 'assisted' 'suicide', not on which painful disease a person gets that escorts them from this world. I do not believe it is right or moral to help people kill themselves, no matter how much pain they are experiencing. Animals, yes (and even that can be difficult on one's psyche); humans, no.

Das vedanya and spasibo very much.<---so, do you hate me now? :o)

898 posted on 01/17/2006 7:53:43 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: supercat

I think that is what I said.


899 posted on 01/17/2006 8:02:14 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: EternalVigilance

That will teach me to post from work.


900 posted on 01/17/2006 8:02:32 PM PST by Almondjoy
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