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SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS OREGON'S SUICIDE LAW
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Posted on 01/17/2006 7:07:26 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

BREAKING ON THE AP WIRE:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.


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To: Borges
The state wouldn't be killing anyone. This would be the domain of an invidual and his family. The question is does the state have the right to stop them.

Again, by sanctioning and codifying assisted suicide, the state of Oregon is complicit in the killing of the innocent under its legislation.

Without the cooperation of the state, assisted suicide is punishable by law. Under Oregon's law, the state is assisting the assist.

601 posted on 01/17/2006 12:41:22 PM PST by Gelato
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

You're quite adept at twisting the issue into something it's not.

Why do you think the courts have the right to allow the killing of those who have never been convicted of a capital offense? It has never been so before in America.

You, the folks in Oregon, and six of our SC justices are the ones that are overturning several hundred years of American law and thousands of years of the traditions of Judeo-Christian civilization.

The onus is on you to explain why you are right and our forefathers are wrong.


602 posted on 01/17/2006 12:42:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Gelato

By that rationale the state is complicit in everything that goes on that is not outlawed. That's giving way too much power and credit to a goverment body and not enough to the individual. IMHO.


603 posted on 01/17/2006 12:43:02 PM PST by Borges
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To: EternalVigilance

Our lives belong to God, whether we admit it or not.

Proof?


604 posted on 01/17/2006 12:44:03 PM PST by IranIsNext
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To: Borges
Let me rephrase and ask if the state has the right to prevent a citizen from taking their own life. Do you think the state chase around the suicidal and restrain them?

They always have. The supposition has always been that the suicidal are crazy, and need protection from themselves.

Which of course begs the question of whether the supporters of 'assisted suicide' aren't more than a little nuts themselves, eh?

605 posted on 01/17/2006 12:44:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"Since when has the "right" to life been transformed into a requirement to live?"

Kind of like how the "right to trial by jury" doesn't mean that you can't just plead guilty and skip right ahead to sentencing.


606 posted on 01/17/2006 12:45:49 PM PST by IranIsNext
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To: IranIsNext
Proof?

You'll have more than enough proof in the course of time...

607 posted on 01/17/2006 12:46:15 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Gelato

"Without the cooperation of the state, assisted suicide is punishable by law. Under Oregon's law, the state is assisting the assist."

Huh? Read what you just typed. If the state lets you commit a certain activity, any activity, such as lets say playing golf.. The state is assisting you in playing golf? And if you play golf to the point where it ruins your marriage because you are never home then the state would complicit in that whole chain of affairs?


608 posted on 01/17/2006 12:48:47 PM PST by IranIsNext
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To: Gelato

The first thing to go by the wayside is the fear of God, followed by the abandonment of respect for the innocent lives of those who were made in His image. Shortly thereafter, liberty in all its various forms is the final casualty. This is the lesson of history.


609 posted on 01/17/2006 12:49:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Proof?
You'll have more than enough proof in the course of time...

All I am saying is you can't just state these things and then say oh you will find out.. I mean, in that case these boards are pointless and we should all just wait till we drop dead before trying to figure out the answer to a great many philosophical questions.
610 posted on 01/17/2006 12:50:53 PM PST by IranIsNext
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To: Borges
By that rationale the state is complicit in everything that goes on that is not outlawed.

In Oregon's case, it's not a matter of leaving something untouched by law. It's a case of actually CODIFYING and REGULATING the killing of innocent people.

But that's beside the point. The argument that it's just individuals doing the killing, not the state, is even more bogus when we consider that although the states never OWNED slaves, the states were in violation of the 5th Amendment (made clearer by the 13th and 14th later), and complicit in slavery by allowing it.

611 posted on 01/17/2006 12:51:11 PM PST by Gelato
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To: IranIsNext
SOme object to suicide as a matter of moral principle, others object to any nanny.

Why not both?

Certainly - no doubt some people object on both grounds.

612 posted on 01/17/2006 12:51:45 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: IranIsNext
Insofar as any activity is codified and regulated by the state, the government is involved.

That's an inescapable fact.

613 posted on 01/17/2006 12:52:58 PM PST by Gelato
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Roe v. Wade was a horrendous decision for many reasons, only one of them being that it trampled states' rights. This Oregon decision may be disagreeable from a purely pro-life standpoint, but the bottom line is that it should be up to the states to enact their own laws without Big Brother Fed'ral Gubmint coming in to stomp on what these elected legislators have done. It's up to pro-lifers in all states to elect more friendly local and state legislators, certainly, but demanding that the federal government intervene whenever your state's elected officials do something you don't like is conceding to socialism a big first step.


614 posted on 01/17/2006 12:53:43 PM PST by steelcurtain
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To: Gelato

"In Oregon's case, it's not a matter of leaving something untouched by law. It's a case of actually CODIFYING and REGULATING the killing of innocent people."

So by the process of regulating but not banning of lets say again, tobacco use and people eventually die because of this; a state would be an accessory to "killing innocent people"? Even though all of the people consuming the products will be doing so of their own free will?


615 posted on 01/17/2006 12:54:03 PM PST by IranIsNext
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To: IranIsNext

You're asking my to prove something that you're not going to accept on my word, anyway.

The choice about whether to believe God and/or generations of His followers is a personal one. You'll have to make it on your own. I only hope for your sake it is a timely decision...


616 posted on 01/17/2006 12:54:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: IranIsNext
Smoking is not legal for the PURPOSE of killing people.

Apples and oranges. Try another fruit.

617 posted on 01/17/2006 12:55:46 PM PST by Gelato
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To: floridaobserver
Yes, we come across people like you with that attitude from time to time. What you obviously don't understand is that the Federal government has certain responsibilities, the State governments have certain responsibilities, and the People have certain rights and responsibilities.

I think the Federal government should be limited, as should the States. One of the very limited functions of State and Federal governments is to protect life. The Federal government should be limited to its Constitutional requirements. It should not be limited to only those functions which are unconstitutional. States should be required to comply with the Constitution. Obviously, not everyone agrees that our Constitution is a good thing.

618 posted on 01/17/2006 12:56:45 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: steelcurtain

You'll find that most prolifers are very much in favor of states' rights.

But, there are transcendent principles, codified in the Bill of Rights, that trump states' rights.

Why is this so hard for you folks to understand?

If a state can overrule the right to life, it can overrule the right to every expression of liberty, and soon will.


619 posted on 01/17/2006 12:58:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
If a state can overrule the right to life

The U.S. Supreme Court did that long ago.

it can overrule the right to every expression of liberty, and soon will

... and the U.S. Congress is trying to do so, irrespective of what state legislatures do.

620 posted on 01/17/2006 1:03:18 PM PST by steelcurtain
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