What it takes to bring down a nation is a fool getting his country involved in military situation his country cannot win (for example, Hitler's attempt to occupy the Soviet Union). Murtha loves his country, and is not a traitor. But I suspect Bush is foolish. It was easy enough for the US to defeat the Iraqi armed forces, but occupying a country where everyone hates you is much more difficult.
And I suspect you are a dog-butt sniffing troll.
Tick...tick...tick.
You might be right, we still are occupying Germany, Japan and Korea.
FDR and Truman should have never gotten involved in a military nsituation where this country could not win....sarcoff
Your life must really suck.
NB4ZOT
You base this statement on what? Because the MSM told you that or do you actually know how 25 million people in Iraq feel?
http://images.military.com/Video/060113_cspan.wmv
Link to a real soldier speaking to Murtha.
cmppc..You are lost..This is Free Republic's forum.
So Hitler would still be around and unimpeded if he had stopped at say, Poland or France?
Murtha loves his country, and is not a traitor
Not all of us believe he is a traitor, just misguided or legacy hunting (or simply deranged).
It was easy enough for the US to defeat the Iraqi armed forces, but occupying a country where everyone hates you is much more difficult
I don't know if they all hate us now, but pulling out prematurely, i.e. before their democracy has taken firm root, will definitely make then hate us.
Oh, and welcome to Free Republic. See you again never.
He's a traitor and so are you.
Samual Adams:
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life; secondly, to liberty; thirdly to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." 'Nuff Said
I smell cheese..................
Employing a few hundred thousand non-Muslim troops to control a country of 23 million Muslims who all hate you would not merely be difficult. It would be impossible. If only two or three percent of the population were actively engaged in resisting you, you wouldn't last six months.
The best guess is that fewer than 20,000 Iraqis (less than one tenth of a percent of the population) is actively fighting the allied presence.
This one tenth of one percent has Murtha cowering in a ditch.
You shouldn't believe what you see on TV. Eveeryone in Iraq doesn't hate us. In fact, it's just the opposite.
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RIP
"Looks like this bottle was last used by a troll. I told the milkman to make sure I get my own bottles back!"
Are you sure that everyone in Iraq hates America? How about the purple-fingered voters? Perhaps the people who are able to read a free-press newspaper (there are now over 100 in Iraq) every morning? What about the demonstrators? They don't have to worry about being rounded up and executed in the town square anymore, or thrown out of windows, or losing their tongues. I suspect that most of your "everyone hates America because..." crowd has NEVER spent any time in other countries. You all seem to think that everyone else in the world enjoys the same freedoms we do. NOT true. If you really don't believe it's worth the fight to plant the seed of freedom and democracy in the Middle East, you may want to get out a little more often. Liberals are always shouting about how being selfish is horrible- well, isn't not wanting other "world citizens" to be free a little selfish? I can't believe you want to hord all this freedom for yourself! You probably didn't offer your home to Katrina victims either.
Your analogies are not relevant to our Iraq situation. Hitler didn't intend to bring freedom to the Russians. Russia is a little bigger than Iraq and had a pretty good military. Also, our plan is to leave when we are finished, unlike Hitler's goal of creating Germania across Europe. Big difference.
Everyone I know hates people who don't like America, so shouldn't you leave? Considering your generalization that all Iraqis hate Americans and therefore we should get out, my belief that all un-American leftists are hated should be sufficient for them to line up at the airports and get the heck out, right?
It's one thing to voice your opinion on the war as a concerned citizen. It's another to broadcast it to the press, knowing that it will be heard around the world. You probably wouldn't like everyone knowing about a close relative's credit problems or that your mother is a drug addict, would you? It's no one else's business, is it? Why then are the Murthas of this country spouting off about what they think we're doing wrong to the world? If he's truly interested in saving soldier's lives, he'd arrange meetings with military leaders and the President instead of the press. You have to admit that makes more sense than telling a group of journalists, who have no idea of military strategy or authority to change ANYTHING in this situation.
Murtha has been in combat and should know that what he says is being used by the enemy and that is why most objective people say he is harming our efforts.
Lastly: I've noticed that many liberals refer to our country as "the US" or "this country" instead of "our country" or "my country". Why is that? I surmise it's because you don't like this country and wish you weren't American.
You're right. You better get out quick!
I can now come back on the VK/RKBA PING list! Woo-HOO!
Murtha IS a traitor, go look up the definition sometime.