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The Religion of Science (Evolution as Faith!)
CHJ ^ | Jan 14, 2006 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 01/13/2006 8:24:51 PM PST by WatchYourself

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To: connectthedots

to predicting that we would find whale like fossils with rudimentary legs. Since they have not yet been found, it is purely speculation that they exist somewhere.

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Err.. they HAVE been found. That is kinda the whole point.


481 posted on 01/15/2006 5:58:52 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: uptoolate

If I see a painting but not the painter am I to assume that the painter never existed and that the painting always was there and had no beginning?


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False analogy again. We know that paintings are painted by painters because we can all watch painters doing it. We can even do it ourselves. We can compare paintings to other paintings to tell who the painter was.


482 posted on 01/15/2006 6:01:11 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: qam1

No, I'm not controlled by a demon. But thanks for the heads up.
I don't believe Gen 2 is a chronological order unlike Gen 1. The link I posted in 480 explaines the writing style used by the Hebrew writers back then. I know its a long read but it really does a great job of explaining it.


483 posted on 01/15/2006 6:03:34 AM PST by uptoolate
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To: qam1

Sorry the link is posted in 450


484 posted on 01/15/2006 6:05:13 AM PST by uptoolate
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To: fabian
that there would be many thousands of transitional fossils throughout the fossil record

There are now millions of fossils in the fossil record. If You're going to discuss Darwin, you really should do a little research beyond dumb George Carlin quotes and lying creationist pamphlets.

485 posted on 01/15/2006 6:30:34 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: metmom; Ichneumon
What evolution has been observed?

Virus(been reading about bird flu lately?), bacteria, sunflowers, fruitflies---all have been reported here on FR threads---in citation of various experiments. A poster (I believe Ichneumon) has a huge list for you perusal.

486 posted on 01/15/2006 6:34:43 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder; Ichneumon
A poster (I believe Ichneumon) has a huge list for you perusal.

Post 661: Ichneumon's stunning post on transitionals.

Lots more information here: TONS OF EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION. And here: NOT JUST FOSSILS ... EVIDENCE OF OBSERVED SPECIATION.

Another service of
Darwin Central
The conspiracy that cares

487 posted on 01/15/2006 7:15:57 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Dimensio
Which is why all explanations in science are considered "tentative": accepted as truth, but always open to falsification. There is absolutely nothing in science that is considered irrefutable truth.

And nothing moreso than evlution.

488 posted on 01/15/2006 7:34:35 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: metmom
When has the law of gravity not held true?

In astronomical calculations of orbits.

http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node60.html

489 posted on 01/15/2006 8:28:51 AM PST by elmer fudd
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To: RunningWolf

WTH is a imperfect self-replicator?


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Hmmm.. someone who doesnt know that very simple piece of information probably is not qualified to discuss evolutionary biology at all. Its equivalent to someone saying "Geography is all rubbish. What is Planet Earth?"

An imperfect self replicator is something that copies itself, but sometimes not with 100% fidelity.


490 posted on 01/15/2006 8:38:18 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: Oztrich Boy
Have there been any scientists who've made projections about any specific animal as to the possible evolutionary track for that specie? I'm looking for scientists making serious predictions and not lay people making unfounded claims. For instance, many years ago I recall hearing the prediction that man would one day not have an appendix since it served no apparent biological function.
491 posted on 01/15/2006 9:03:12 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: TheWormster
Its equivalent to someone saying "Geography is all rubbish. What is Planet Earth?"

Well no it is not equivalent to that at all. Thats all you have though, so go with it.

An imperfect self replicator is something that copies itself, but sometimes not with 100% fidelity.

Sounds like a concept Dawkins would come up with. The word 'self' needs taken out.
492 posted on 01/15/2006 10:11:48 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

Its equivalent to someone saying "Geography is all rubbish. What is Planet Earth?"

Well no it is not equivalent to that at all. Thats all you have though, so go with it.

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Yes it is. Geography is the study of planet earth. Not knowing what the planet earth is is kinda stupid.
Evolutionary science is the sudy of imperfect self replicators. Not knowing what an imperfect self replicator is is kinda stupid.

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An imperfect self replicator is something that copies itself, but sometimes not with 100% fidelity.

Sounds like a concept Dawkins would come up with. The word 'self' needs taken out.

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Dawkins hardly came up with idea. It has been known for years. And why does the word "self" need to be taken out?


493 posted on 01/15/2006 10:27:02 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: RunningWolf
Are you on drugs? You pop on and make inane, nonsensical replies to posts, and basically act like you are incapable of actually SAYING anything.

Its equivalent to someone saying "Geography is all rubbish. What is Planet Earth?"
Well no it is not equivalent to that at all. Thats all you have though, so go with it.

Not understanding a fundamental concept of any topic renders one unqualified to discuss it. This is also like saying "all math is nonsense -- what is a number?"

An imperfect self replicator is something that copies itself, but sometimes not with 100% fidelity.
Sounds like a concept Dawkins would come up with. The word 'self' needs taken out.

Non sequiter. But thanks for playing.

494 posted on 01/15/2006 10:27:22 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: TheWormster
/imperfect self replicator/ or similar terms, are used in more areas of study than Evolution.

Dawkins may not have come up with the concept, but he defined it in '76 as far as I know. You might be more current on the history of toe though.

As to the TOE /imperfect self replicator/ it is yet another concept with more questions than real answers about it.

Wolf
495 posted on 01/15/2006 10:56:31 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: wintertime
So...if you are holding your breath waiting for a government school to teach hand washing....well....you will asphyxiate!

We were taught that sort of thing as part of health education.

Two college guys in a bathroom:

One finishes peeing, starts out. Other guy says, "Hmmmph, at Princeton, we were taught to wash our hands after peeing."
"At Hahvahd, we were taught not to get pee on our hands".

496 posted on 01/15/2006 11:03:41 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: uptoolate
I don't see the contradiction

That is because you are using some kind of new wave bible that has been reworded to make sense. Try the King James Version.

497 posted on 01/15/2006 11:06:21 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: TheWormster
Can you help me answer the question I posed in post #491?
498 posted on 01/15/2006 11:08:23 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: Just mythoughts
Gen. 2:4 Says this is the GENERATIONS, which means "family history" before The Adam was ever formed from the dust and breath of life = soul made him alive.

2:4 says: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

and 2:5 says: "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

These verses are about the creation of the heavens and earth, before man was created. They are NOT about the generations of Adam. They are NOT about family history, they are about earth history.

499 posted on 01/15/2006 11:16:51 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Mulch

Can you help me answer the question I posed in post #491?

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Sure. As far as I know, no scientist is able to make predictions about what path the evolution of a current species will take. It is a common aspect of science fiction, but given that it is impossible to know in advance what mutations will occur, it is not really part of science.
Does that answer your question?


500 posted on 01/15/2006 11:19:19 AM PST by TheWormster
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