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The Religion of Science (Evolution as Faith!)
CHJ ^ | Jan 14, 2006 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 01/13/2006 8:24:51 PM PST by WatchYourself

How can someone observe, study or experiment on evolution? Evolution is the process of something moving from one stage of development to another. What do we really have to scientifically prove evolution?

A scientist might have a fossil, but we can only speculate as to the age and appearance of the animal creating that fossil. No one has ever witnessed evolution of life, no one here now was there to observe, study and experiment. Like it or not, we can only form theories and beliefs about what might have been. As sound as these theories might be, they are and will always be theories. Evolution is simply a system of belief based on what we think might have happened. Those who believe in evolution have faith in the scientist’s abilities to speculate and imagine what might have been. This is not science. This is faith.

It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief. If public schools are not allowed to teach religion, then the theories of evolution have no place in a public school classroom. If they are allowed to teach theories based on faith, like evolution, then creationism should be taught also.

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KEYWORDS: academicbias; crevolist; criders; evolution; faith; junkscience; religion; science
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To: Mulch

So do all the environmental stimuli effect each biological system identically? and What are the various environmental stimuli that would cause mutations? I know climate or availability of food, predators, are a few. What are the others and which are the most critical ones?

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Nope. Those do not cause mutations. Those act as selection pressures. Mutations are caused by mistakes in the copying of genetic material.


241 posted on 01/14/2006 10:06:55 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: Just mythoughts
There is no contradiction how else would you explain all that DIFFERENT DNA floating around out there, surely you do not claim it came from only two people.

There is contradiction BECAUSE of all of that different DNA floating around out there. The bible says that it came from two people, and it even goes so far as to list the geneology. We know better. Genesis is wrong. That's the point.

242 posted on 01/14/2006 10:07:39 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: uptoolate

I see a painting. There must have been a painter?
I see a building. There must have been a builder?
I see a car. There must have been a car maker?
I see creation. There must have been a _______.

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I see a flawed analogy. How do you know you are seeing a creation and not just "stuff that exists"?


243 posted on 01/14/2006 10:09:53 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: jec41

Like christianity, evolution is not provable, unless of course you want to accept conjecture and false fossils as evidence


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And your evidence for "false fossils"? Perhaps you could take a moment and explain why every single fossil in the Natural History Museum in London is false, and what qualifies you to say they are false?


244 posted on 01/14/2006 10:11:31 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: jec41

Evolutionists even admit that evolution is only a theory

A theory requires proof by definition. It is not a opinion.


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Nope. Mathematicians deal in proof. Well, mathematicians and distillers. Scientists deal in EVIDENCE. And the is literally tons of evidence for evolution.


245 posted on 01/14/2006 10:13:01 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: connectthedots

A theory requires proof by definition. It is not a opinion.
Your ignorance as to the definition of a a term as basic as 'scientific theory' disqualifies you as anyone to be taken seriously in this debate. Are you really that ignorant?

To be a theory, it must be testable. Evolution is not testable. Since it is not testable, evolution fits much better within the definition of a scientific model than a theory.

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Evolution most definitely is testable. And so far it has passed every single test thrown at it. From predicting the behaviour of bacteria in agar gel, to predicting that we would find whale like fossils with rudimentary legs.


246 posted on 01/14/2006 10:14:06 AM PST by TheWormster
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Proof is for Math and Whiskey Placemarker
247 posted on 01/14/2006 10:14:17 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: stuartcr; WatchYourself
How do you observe, study or formulate religion?

Easy. There are more than enough religions on the face of the earth to choose from. Studying them would include study of their history, their influence one society and their influence on individuals. Other studies may include personal testimonials of the reality of the belief system and objective evidence of the changes wrought in the lives of believers. Formula's could be devised in which which belief in God (A), plus obedience to God (B) = Happiness (C). A + B = C.

Piece of cake. :-)

248 posted on 01/14/2006 10:20:15 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: WatchYourself

The guy who wrote this is willfully ignorant. And, that is the worst kind of ignorant.


249 posted on 01/14/2006 10:20:35 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: stuartcr; WatchYourself
How do you observe, study or formulate religion?

Easy. There are more than enough religions on the face of the earth to choose from. Studying them would include study of their history, their influence one society and their influence on individuals. Other studies may include personal testimonials of the reality of the belief system and objective evidence of the changes wrought in the lives of believers. Formula's could be devised in which which belief in God (A), plus obedience to God (B) = Happiness (C). A + B = C.

Piece of cake. :-)

250 posted on 01/14/2006 10:21:37 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Mulch
(e.g. turtle to bird)

Perhaps you should begin your journey to understanding by reading a biology book!

251 posted on 01/14/2006 10:24:34 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Kuiper
Creationism is tangible and empirical.

In your most delusional paranoid dreams...

252 posted on 01/14/2006 10:27:14 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: calex59
Darwinism is base on an invisible force,

Actually, Darwin's theory is based on the process of replication, heritable difference, and natural selection within an interbreeding population.

253 posted on 01/14/2006 10:30:22 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: TheWormster
to predicting that we would find whale like fossils with rudimentary legs. Since they have not yet been found, it is purely speculation that they exist somewhere.
254 posted on 01/14/2006 10:35:10 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: calex59
For instance if I cut off my index finger and all my progeny cut theirs off, my g, g, g, g, g, great grandchildren would still be born with index fingers.

Instead of cutting off your index finger, kill all but the 10% of people on your island with the shortest index fingers and repeat that for 100 generations...

255 posted on 01/14/2006 10:40:59 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: FiddlePig
Otherwise, why do courts, lawyers and lawmakers need to be involved in science debates?

To keep the agenda driven willfully ignorant superstitious anti-science degenerates from poisoning the minds of innocent children who expect to get an honest education when they take a science class.

256 posted on 01/14/2006 10:45:20 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: wyattearp
"The two creation stories contradict one another"

Read it again. There are no contradictions.

257 posted on 01/14/2006 10:47:50 AM PST by uptoolate
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To: Virginia-American
"This has nothing to do with evolution."

Yes it does. It hs everything to do with the theory of evolution. The TOE says all the design data is stored physically inside each organism and is passed on down through each generation physically in genetic material. When you get in a debate with me, you'd better know what you're talking about.

258 posted on 01/14/2006 10:48:28 AM PST by carl in alaska (Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt this maneuver.)
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To: connectthedots

"Since they have not yet been found, it is purely speculation that they exist somewhere."

Nope, it's been done already.
http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/
http://darla.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/ANAT/whaleorigins.htm
http://hometown.aol.com/darwinpage/landtosea.htm


259 posted on 01/14/2006 10:50:37 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Kuiper
If you can prove that the earth is young,

How old is the earth?

260 posted on 01/14/2006 10:51:03 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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