You are correct. Murtha regularly waves his Purple Hearts about (metaphorically) as a sort of bloody shirt that immunizes him from the sort of scathing criticism his alcohol fueled bleating so richly deserve. And his district, if the voters there had any integrity, would find some other hack to represent them.
"If you value the troops so much,"
Now that I have returned home, from "my weekly support of the troops",
that I have done every single week since Oct 2001, and often
times several times a week on base
I'll answer your questions.
I see you did not ask any of the other vets on this thread
what they thought like I asked you.
"Tell me how it will help any soldier anywhere to replace Kerry with
another brain dead Massachusetss pol."
JOHN O'NEILL Viet Nam Vet GETS IT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1526505/posts "...To us, Mr. Kerry's comments meant that no one should do to Mr. Murtha
that which Mr. Kerry did to all of us and our fellow Vietnam veterans,
living and dead. Mr. Kerry's disgraceful comments on many occasions in 1971
(while we were locked in combat),
claiming falsely that we were "murdering" hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese
and committing rape and mayhem on a daily basis,
are a part of the public record for which he has never apologized.
This might be called "Kerrying" our soldiers..."
"Yes, indeed- John Kerry thinks it's 1971 all over again. Yesterday, on "Face the Nation"
John Kerry once again slams American troops- Check it out-
"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going
into homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children,
you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the-of-the historical customs, religious customs."
Here is the transcript for "Face the Nation"-
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_120405.pdf You will find this statement at the bottom of page 4 and the top of page 5.
"The public, 48% of which voted for Kerry to be C-in-C, starts wondering what the heck we're doing."
Now think about the active duty troops who frequent Free Republic,
who cares what the 48% liberals think.
Please get your priorities straight.
hanoi kerry lost, plain and simple
"Tell me how all the folks who voted for Kerry
(and all those who voted for Bush
and didn't believe the Swiftees,
like about 10% of the electorate) will suddenly decide that he's Benedict Arnold."
Karl Rove KNOWS who really won the election.
Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts
"I asked you to cite the law that gives the SCOTUS jurisdiction. You have not."
You need to cite YOUR source that says the US Supreme Court does not have
jurisdiction over
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3 (1868)
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath,
as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer
of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html
"Sure, you say it's the law of the land, but we have to "get a conviction"
so to speak and you won't say how we'd accomplish it."
The FBI has proof of his giving aid and comfort to the enemies
Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files
May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.
(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)
http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html
a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS
904. ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death
or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.
http://www.military-network.com/main_ucmj/SUBCHAPTERX.html#904.104
Finally a word of advice.
I am, and always have been, a Registered Independent Voter
I've made this known ever since I've been on FR
Remember it's Independents like me and Democrats like John O'Neill
and Zell Miller who helped the GOP pull the election
out of the fire.
My contributions will always go to
Free Republic AND other non partisan groups
before Republicans or Democrats ever sees a dime from me.
AND my votes in '06 and '08 will always go to
the best qualified candidate, regardless of
their party.
BTW : What other forums, on the internet,
were you campaiging for President Bush in '04?
I was on plenty of msn and yahoo groups
and on militay.com
My user names were/are
tonkingulfyachtclub68_69
USSCORRY_DD817_66_69
tonkin817
Kerry Positioning himself for 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180361,00.html
Jerome R. Corsi and Scott Swett
Read about it in John Kerry and the VVAW: Hanoi's American Puppets?
by Dr. Jerome Corsi (FReeper jrlc)
and Scott Swett (FReeper Interesting Times)
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php
John Kerry and the VVAW:
>
>Hanoi's American Puppets?
>
>Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese
>communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a
>close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the * Vietnam Veterans
>Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading
>national spokesman.
>
>The Circular: International Coordination of Antiwar Propaganda
>The first document is a 1971 "Circular" distributed by the Vietnamese
>communists within Vietnam. It discusses strategies to coordinate their
>national propaganda effort with their orchestration of the activities of
>sympathetic counterparts in the American anti-war movement.
>Specifically, the document notes that the Vietcong and North Vietnamese
>delegations to the Paris Peace talks were being used as the
>communications link to direct the activities of anti-war activists
>meeting with them in Paris. To quote from the document:
>The spontaneous antiwar movements in the US have received assistance and
>guidance from the friendly ((VC/NVN)) delegations at the Paris Peace
>Talks.
>
>-- Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US. The reference to "VC"
>indicates the Vietcong; "NVN" is the North Vietnamese government.
>
>This sentence is particularly important in light of John Kerry's
>admission that he met with leaders of both communist delegations to the
>Paris Peace Talks in June 1970, including Madame Binh, foreign minister
>of the Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG) of South Vietnam, also
>known as the Vietcong. FBI files record that Kerry returned to Paris to
>meet with the North Vietnamese delegation in August of 1971, and planned
>a third trip in November.
>
>Prior to the discovery of the Circular, there was no direct evidence
>that Hanoi was actually steering the U.S. antiwar movement's activities
>by conveying Hanoi's goals and wishes to movement leaders during their
>frequent visits to Paris, though many investigators had assumed that to
>be the case. Further analysis of this document supports the contention
>that Madame Binh used her Paris meeting with John Kerry to instruct him
>on how he and the VVAW might best serve as Hanoi's surrogates in the
>United States. In the spring and summer of 1971, a key strategy of Hanoi
>was to advance what was known as Madame Binh's Seven Point Peace Plan.
>
>The plan was cleverly constructed to force President Nixon to set a date
>to end the Vietnam War and withdraw American troops. According to the
>7-Point Peace Plan of Madame Binh, the only barrier to Hanoi setting a
>date to release American Prisoners of War was President Nixon's
>unwillingness to set a specific date for military withdrawal. Of course,
>accepting the full terms of the 7-Point Peace Plan would have amounted
>to an American capitulation, a virtual surrender that included the
>payment of reparations to the Vietnam communists as an admission that
>America was the wrongful aggressor in an immoral war.
>
>A section of the Circular titled
>"PREPARATION FOR THE FALL ((1971)) ANTIWAR MOVEMENT" makes clear the
>importance the Vietnamese Communists placed on advancing Madame Binh's
>7-Point Peace Plan within the United States:
>
>The seven-point peace proposal ((of the SVN Provisional Revolutionary
>Government)) not only solved problems concerning the release of US
>prisoners but also motivated the people of all walks of life and even
>relatives of US pilots detained in NVN to participate in the antiwar
>movement.
>
>-- Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US. "SVN" indicates the South
>Vietnam Provisional Revolutionary Government, i.e., the Vietcong. "NVN"
>refers to North Vietnam.
>
>And again, highlighting how the Vietnamese communists viewed the
>activities of the US antiwar movement, US politics, and politics in
>South Vietnam as interconnected; all to be targeted by Madame Binh's
>7-Point Peace Plan:
>
>The Nixon-Thieu clique is very embarrassed because the seven-point peace
>proposal is supported by the SVN people's (( political struggle))
>movement and the antiwar movements in the US. Therefore, all local
>areas, units, and branches must widely disseminate the seven-point peace
>proposal, step up the people's ((political struggle)) movements both in
>cities and rural areas, taking advantage of disturbances and dissensions
>in the enemy's forthcoming (RVN) Congressional and Presidential
>elections. They must coordinate more successfully with the antiwar
>movements in the US so as to isolate the Nixon-Thieu clique.
>
>-- Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US. "RVN" refers to the Republic
>of Vietnam, the government in South Vietnam supported by the US. POW
>Families: Targets of the Vietnamese Communists
>
>Late in 1970, a defecting Vietcong organizer described a communist plan
>to use Vietcong sympathizers in the US to recruit family members of
>American POWs held captive in North Vietnam. The following summary of
>his interview was provided to the House Foreign Affairs Committee:
>
>The Viet Cong plan to continue their efforts to win worldwide opinion to
>their side and to solicit as much material support for the VC struggle
>as possible from other countries in order to create a favorable climate
>for the VC at the Paris Peace Conference.
>
>The Viet Cong will continue to promote domestic unrest against the war
>in the United States in order to speed withdrawal of US troops and
>create pressure for an end to the war.
>
>Efforts will be directed toward the US soldier in Vietnam to demand that
>they be returned to the US and be reunited with their families and
>wives.
>
>The VC will strive to create anti-draft and anti-war attitudes in the US
>by organizing VC sympathizers in the US to contact families with sons in
>Vietnam and urge them to call their sons home. Also VC sympathizers in
>the US will be organized to distribute anti-draft leaflets to students
>and young people.
>
>On February 1, 1971, at their Winter Soldier Investigation in Detroit,
>the VVAW released a statement by Virginia Warner, mother of American POW
>Jim Warner, urging President Nixon to "end the war so the prisoners of
>war can come home." Jim Warner has accused John Kerry of exploiting his
>mother's fears to obtain this statement.
>
>On July 22, 1971, John Kerry held a press conference in Washington, DC,
>to call upon President Nixon to accept Madame Binh's 7-Point Peace Plan.
>Kerry surrounded himself at the press conference with POW wives, parents
>and sisters who had been recruited to promote his message. The event was
>reported in The New York Times of July 23, 1971 and the communist Daily
>World of July 24, 1971. Each article included a photograph of Kerry
>surrounded by POW family members.
>
>Kerry's use of POW families directly advanced the North Vietnamese
>communist agenda as described by enemy defectors and in the newly
>discovered Circular, which suggests that Madame Binh had recommended the
>same course of action to antiwar activists meeting with her in Paris.
>
>[Note: A number of POW families were contacted by a "liason" group
>headed by Cora Weiss, the daughter of Communist Party financier Samuel
>Rubin, with offers to provide mail and information about their husbands
>if the families agreed to publicly denounce the war. Most POW family
>members refused to cooperate with this extortion, even when promised
>better treatment for their husbands or sons in Hanoi. Four angry POW
>wives protested at Kerry's July press conference, one of whom accused
>Kerry of "constantly using our own suffering and grief" to advance his
>political ambitions.]
>
>The Directive: Supporting the US Domestic Insurgency
>
>The second document, captured by US military forces in South Vietnam on
>May 12, 1972, is a communist Directive designed to motivate discussions
>within Vietnam about promoting the ongoing antiwar activities in the
>United States. The fifth paragraph of this document makes clear that the
>Vietnamese communists were utilizing for their propaganda purposes the
>activities of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The protest
>described as occurring from April 19 through April 22, 1971 coincides
>directly with the dates of Dewey Canyon III, the Washington, DC, protest
>led by John Kerry, during which John Kerry's testimony before Senator
>Fulbright's Foreign Relations Committee was a televised centerpiece. The
>description of the protest activities in the Directive even include the
>"return their medals" ceremony in which John Kerry and other VVAW
>members threw their medals and/or ribbons toward the steps of the US
>Capitol, with several shouting threats of violence against their
>government as they did so.
>
>The Connection: The People's Committee for Peace and Justice
>Another key discussion in the documents reveals the degree to which the
>Vietnamese communists were working with and through the PCPJ (People's
>Coalition for Peace and Justice. The Circular, immediately after
>disclosing how the communist delegations to the Paris Peace talks were
>being used to guide the US antiwar movement, stresses the importance of
>the PCPJ to these efforts:
>
>Of the US antiwar movements, the two most important ones are: The PCPJ
>((the People's Committee for Peace and Justice)) and the NPAC ((National
>Peace Action Committee)). These two movements have gathered much
>strength and staged many demonstrations. The PCPJ is the most important.
>It maintains relations with us.
>
>-- Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US (emphasis added).
>The House Internal Security Committee in its 1971 Annual Report
>described the PCPJ as an organization strongly controlled by US
>communists: "There is no question but what members of the Communist
>Party have provided a very strong degree of influence, even a guiding
>influence, in the evolution and formation of policies of the People's
>Coalition for Peace and Justice."
>
>Recently released FBI surveillance reports establish a strong link
>between John Kerry, Al Hubbard, the VVAW, the PCPJ, and their trips to
>Paris to meet with Madame Binh. As discussed in Unfit for Command,
>Hubbard, the Executive Secretary of the VVAW and a hard-line radical
>with ties to the Black Panthers and the PCPJ, had directly recruited
>John Kerry into the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the
>organization's election process.
>
>Al Hubbard's own claim to have been a transport pilot wounded in combat
>was discredited when the Department of Defense released documents
>demonstrating that, though Hubbard had been in the Air Force, he was
>neither a pilot nor an officer, had never served in Vietnam and had
>never been in combat. John Kerry shared the stage with Al Hubbard during
>the Dewey Canyon III protest in Washington, D.C., and he appeared
>together with Hubbard on NBC's Meet the Press on April 18, 1971. Hubbard
>also signed the People's Peace Treaty, a PCPJ document that reiterated
>the positions of North Vietnam and the Vietcong, on behalf of the VVAW.
>
>An FBI field surveillance report stamped November 11, 1971 reported that
>the FBI had learned at the Regional VVAW Convention in Norman Oklahoma,
>on November 5-7, 1971, that John Kerry and Al Hubbard were planning to
>travel to Paris later in the month to engage in talks with the
>Vietnamese communist peace delegations. While this document is heavily
>redacted, other FBI reports make it clear that the Communist Party of
>the USA was paying for Al Hubbard's trips to Paris.
>
>IT IS NOTED THAT THE "COMMUNIST PARTY" REFERRED IN RETEL IS PROBABLY THE
>COMMUNIST PARTY, USA, BECAUSE AL HUBBARD IS A MEMBER OF COORDINATING OF
>PEOPLES COALITION FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE (PCPJ), AS ARE GIL GREEN, MEMBER
>OF NATIONAL COMMITTEE, COMMUNIST PARTY, USA AND JARVIS TYNER, NATIONAL
>DIRECTOR, YOUNG WORKERS LIBERATION LEAGUE. HUBBARD, GREEN AND TYNER HAVE
>ATTENDED SAME NATIONAL MEETINGS OF PCPJ.
>
>-- Federal Bureau of Investigations, Field Surveillance Report, filed
>November 11, 1971. A copy of this report was air-mailed to the Boston
>FBI office in reference to John Kerry.
>
>An FBI field surveillance report dated November 24, 1971 details Al
>Hubbard's presentation to a VVAW meeting of the Executive and Steering
>committees in Kansas City, Missouri, during the weekend of November
>12-15, 1971 -- the same meeting at which the VVAW considered, then
>rejected a plan to assassinate several pro-war US Senators. John Kerry
>is listed as present. Once again, Al Hubbard made clear the communist
>coordination involved in his recent trip to Paris:
>
>[BLACK OUT] advised that Hubbard gave the following information
>regarding his Paris trip:
>
>Two foreign groups, which are Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) and
>Peoples Republic Government (PRG) (phonetic), invited representatives of
>the VVAW, Communist Party USA (CP USA), and a Left Wing group in Paris,
>to attend meeting of the above inviting groups in Paris. Hubbard advised
>he was elected to represent the VVAW. An unknown male was invited to
>represent the CP USA and an unknown individual was elected to represent
>the Left Wing group from Paris. He advised at the meeting that his trip
>was financed by CP USA.
>
>-- Federal Bureau of Investigations, Field Surveillance Report, filed
>November 24, 1971.
>
>A letter written by Al Hubbard on April 20, 1971 leaves no doubt about
>the strong coordination between the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and
>the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice. Addressed from the offices
>of the VVAW in Washington, D.C., the letter is an appeal to VVAW members
>to provide assistance to the PCPJ. It discusses several ways in which
>the two organizations have worked closely together:
>
>This is an appeal for help for the Peoples Coalition for Peace and
>Justice. Over the past months the Peoples Coalition has supported the
>Vietnam Vets Against the War in many ways. The Coalition has made office
>space available at no charge, and permitted the use of all necessary
>office equipment such as mimeograph machines, stencil-making machines,
>folders and typewriters. They have loaned us cars, bullhorns, and public
>address equipment. Their staff has taken messages for us and joined
>fraternally in building our progress. Now we can return this support.
>
>Saturday, April 24, the Coalition needs help collecting money and
>selling buttons at the great march and rally. Collectors and sellers
>must be energetic and determined. Theree will be security problems in
>taking large amounts of money to banks. The Coalition needs people
>power, hundreds of workers.
>I earnestly hope that you will come forward to support our friends in
>this emergency.
>
>-- Letter signed by Al Hubbard, addressed from the Vietnam Veterans
>Against the War office at Room 900, 1029 Vermont Ave. N.W., Washington,
>D.C., dated April 20, 1971. Found in the House Internal Security
>Committee subject files, Washington, D.C.
>
>Two days after the letter was written, John Kerry gave his famous
>testimony to Senator Fulbright's Foreign Relations Committee in which he
>likened the American military in Vietnam to the army of Ghengis Khan.
>The march and rally for which Hubbard was recruiting VVAW assistance was
>the PCPJ's massive April 24 demonstration in Washington, which
>immediately followed the VVAW's week-long Dewey Canyon III protest. The
>communist Daily world reported on April 27 that "Tributes were paid to
>the special role of the Vietnam Veterans" at the PCPJ rally, and went on
>to quote at length from John Kerry's speech at that event.
>
>Willing Partners: the VVAW and the Vietnamese Communists
>Other examples of the VVAW's advocacy of Vietnamese communist positions
>during the period of John Kerry's leadership abound. The group issued a
>proclamation in February 1971 calling for mass civil disobedience and
>military mutiny if American forces entered Laos. After the war, North
>Vietnamese military leaders acknowledged that one of their greatest
>fears was that America would move significant forces into Laos to
>interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The VVAW's eagerness to comply with the
>wishes of the Vietnamese communists even extended to its choice of
>nomenclature. The VVAW's Executive Committee stated in a July 1971
>meeting that the terms "Vietcong" and "North Vietnamese" were not to be
>used in VVAW press releases and communications. Instead, "PRG
>(Provisional Revolutionary Government)" and "DRV (Democratic Republic of
>Vietnam)"... "are to be used by us to reflect our acceptance of their
>designations." And the VVAW's unremitting insistence that American
>forces were mass-murdering Vietnamese civilians perfectly echoed the
>primary propaganda theme put forth by the Vietnamese communists, their
>international communist allies, and their Soviet sponsors.
>Conclusion
>
>The newly uncovered documents help clarify the relationship of the North
>Vietnamese, the Vietcong, the PCPJ, the Communist Party of the USA, and
>John Kerry's VVAW. They indicate that these organizations worked closely
>together, using the Paris Peace Talks as a central point of
>communication, to employ the strategy and tactics devised by the
>Vietnamese communists to achieve their primary objective: the defeat of
>the United States of America in Vietnam.
>
>-- by Jerome R. Corsi and Scott Swett