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Elk Grove (IL) eyes ban on selling cigarettes
Chicago Tribune ^ | 1/12/06 | Richard Wronski

Posted on 01/12/2006 12:12:48 PM PST by elkfersupper

Worried that measures to limit smoking don't go far enough, Elk Grove Village officials are considering banning the sale of cigarettes, apparently the first time that has been seriously proposed in Illinois, experts said. Mayor Craig Johnson said the village would be hypocritical to consider a current proposal to restrict smoking in bars and restaurants without going after cigarettes themselves. "If we think smoking is so detrimental to the community that we should ban it, then we should think about a ban on selling cigarettes,"

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: pufflist; puritanism; smokiing; smokingban
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To: Thebaddog

10 years ago Elk Grove was a UPS/Fed-Ex hub and the local police would quickly deter most people from going for any other reason!


41 posted on 01/12/2006 12:44:20 PM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


42 posted on 01/12/2006 12:44:56 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: biggerten

"I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but-
There are 'dry' counties and states that ban alcohol, why is this different?"

Because there are two amendments to the US Constitution dealing with alcohol, one prohibiting its manufacture and importation, and the second one striking that one down and explicitly leaving its regulation to the states.

So, the Constitution says, explicitly, that the states can prohibit alcohol, even though that's interfering with interstate commerce. The Constitution doesn't say that about tobacco. Now, a state's rights advocate could assert that therefore it's entirely up to the states, but a free-market, free-flow-of-commerce capitalist could argue that banning tobacco locally interferes with interstate commerce generally, and he would have a good argument under the commerce clause cases of the last 70 years or so.

Alcohol is different, because it's actually in the Constitution. No other product is.

How this one comes out depends on the judges deciding it.


43 posted on 01/12/2006 12:45:43 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: elkfersupper
I've never heard any of these morons complain that the money they extort from smokers smells. That money smells sweet, just like honey. Anyone who supports smoking bans or over taxation of cigarettes for ideological reasons needs to change their voting affiliation to Democrat.
44 posted on 01/12/2006 12:46:17 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: BlueStateDepression

"I am so very thankful you expressed that with words and not a picture. The mental image was enough to send me reeling, I shudder to think what would have happened if I had actually seen a picture instead!"

Just a word of advice: Do not, under any circumstances, visit any YMCA or Community Center, that offers workout or swim classes, during normal working hours. I tell you, it is hazardous. Enough said. [grin]


45 posted on 01/12/2006 12:46:39 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: SheLion

But But But But Blagojevich said that Tax increases on cigs were going to curb the smoking...that that that raising the taxes would be a deterrant to smokers........He never intended those revenues to be there at all because his real goal was to stem the tide of increasing numbers of smokers.....

< /Sarcasm >


46 posted on 01/12/2006 12:46:53 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: elkfersupper
"It will never happen" Ping.

Many towns ban alcohol sales. Why would they not get away with this?

47 posted on 01/12/2006 12:46:58 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: biggerten

"dry counties and states that ban alcohol"

I was wondering the same thing, but I don't see any difference, since any town with a stupid mayor who buys into any kind of prohiobition on sales like that will lose tax revenue in either case. And I'm not a lawyer, either- (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night)...


48 posted on 01/12/2006 12:47:55 PM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: SheLion

I believe I read a while back where Illinois LEO was going after folks that purchased their smokes online and slamming them with HUGE back taxes...plus nominal fees for having to come collect it all now.


49 posted on 01/12/2006 12:48:17 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: MineralMan

Warning dually noted and I thank you! LMAO


50 posted on 01/12/2006 12:49:14 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: SheLion

But this money does not go to the village. How would this be part of their consideration?


51 posted on 01/12/2006 12:49:17 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: elkfersupper

I sure hope they don't ban oleo-margarine, LOL! What will we in Wisconsin do if we can't get our black market oleo-margarine? ;)

Ciggies will never be banned. Tobaccy is the goose that lays the Golden Egg over and over and over again.

The end-goal is to make it scarce and expensive and taxed to the hilt.


52 posted on 01/12/2006 12:49:19 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: BlueStateDepression
I believe I read a while back where Illinois LEO was going after folks that purchased their smokes online and slamming them with HUGE back taxes...plus nominal fees for having to come collect it all now.

Oh yes, that has already started. 

53 posted on 01/12/2006 12:50:55 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Phantom Lord
I would prefer though that the next time a state passes a smoking ban, sues a tobacco company, or takes some action against tobacco that tobacco companies announce that clearly the state is not interested in it citizens enjoying its product and they will hence for no longer sell to that state.

Unfortunately the companies can not do that because of the Master Settlement Agreement, nor can the states ban the sale of cigarettes. Until at least 2023.

54 posted on 01/12/2006 12:51:18 PM PST by Gabz
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To: thackney
But this money does not go to the village. How would this be part of their consideration?

I believe that state budget is used for the state, and the village is apart of the state.

55 posted on 01/12/2006 12:52:52 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: elkfersupper

Mayor Craig Johnson needs a serious ass-whipping. I do not know why, but some people just need to be taken out behind the shed every once in a while.


56 posted on 01/12/2006 12:53:30 PM PST by microgood
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To: elkfersupper

States cannot afford to ban cigarette sales as they are a major source of tax revenue. They will just continue to up the tax to protect people from themselves and then wonder why tax revenue drops and the bootlegging of cigarettes increases. I'm sure organized crime will provide the citizens of Elk Grove all the cigarettes they want.


57 posted on 01/12/2006 12:59:00 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: BlueStateDepression; MineralMan
How about all spandex clothing in women's sizes over 8, to prevent unsightly bulges.

am so very thankful you expressed that with words and not a picture. The mental image was enough to send me reeling,

Excuse me.........but I wear over a size 8 and there are NO bulges on me..........please do not make such nasty generalizations.

58 posted on 01/12/2006 12:59:52 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Sunshine Sister
I say go for it. It will be a chance for the smokers to stick it to government!

And the anti-smokers who have pushed for all the bans in increased taxes. Let the budget shortfalls come out of their pockets for a change.

59 posted on 01/12/2006 1:01:09 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz

No insult intended. My point was to hyperbolize a comparison to this stupid law.


60 posted on 01/12/2006 1:01:58 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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