Posted on 01/07/2006 8:38:11 PM PST by lainie
On Friday, January 6, 2006, El Rushbo said the following:
Transcribed from rushlimbaugh.com "It's Open Line Friday… Clip: Does Anyone Remember Wen ho Lee?" Windows Media Player, paid subscription required
'Phil from Prescott, Arizona': "What I wanted to talk about: you were mentioning how Bill Clinton never seemed like he was interested in tackling huge national security issues, but I seen an example in the Wen ho Lee case where they actually railroaded Wen Ho Lee so they could at least LOOK like they were tackling national security issues..."
Limbaugh: You know, this is a fascinating case, and I don't think enough people A) know about it or B) remember it. Wen Ho Lee, Chinese descent, working out at Los Alamos, right? Los ALamos nuclear lab. Wen ho Lee was accused, by the Clinton administration, of stealing secrets and sending them back to China. During the whole period where the Clinton administration was involved in all this funny money coming in from China, and the 1996 presidential campaign, and the John Huang/Charlie Tree days, and all of this. There was NEVER...this man was kept in jail for, I don't know how many months, but, at one point, when they took him into federal court, a federal judge...now, he sent me his book. Wen ho Lee sent me his book, and it opens with this judge's apology. The judge, I forget his name, federal district judge, apologized to Wen ho Lee for everything the United States government had done to him: falsely accusing him, keeping him in jail; this is unprecedented. Sometimes charges are dismissed and they're thrown out, or what have you. The judge made it plain that he was apologizing on behalf of the United States government for what had happened to Wen ho Lee. And Phil's point here is, he's taking off on the opening monologue today which is, the Clinton administration, during 2000, had this CIA plan to try to leak phony information to the Iranians so that when they put their nuclear bomb together, it wouldn't work. Now, the point of this was that the Clinton administration knew in 2000 the Iranians were working on nuclear cweapons, and they didn't do anything about it. And they had this CIA plan that was so bad that it was doomed to fail, and it did. And his point is Clinton just wanted to look tough on this stuff, just wanted to look big on this, so we indict Wen ho Lee, when no evidence, keep him in jail, and, uh, you know, it was worse than what happened to Ray Donovan, he was, 'where do I go to get my reputation back?' And now he's filed a counter suit. I think the last I heard was he's filed some sort of a counter suit. But I won't forget what this judge said to him, as his book opens: apologizing profusely for the entire U.S. government for what he did. And of course, the mainstream press and all of Clinton's buddies hardly gave it scant attention, folks. This is the bunch that did the Waco invasion, Ruby Ridge, uh, one other example I'm leaving out, but, we talk about civil liberties today and how we're losing it."
From the reports that I recall, the "agent{s}" fired from the ambush position, killing the dog. Dog was not in attack mode. This was the beginning of a brief exchange in which Sammy? was machine gunned in the back, and an agent was killed also.
Fortunately, I've never had to point a weapon at anyone, and have taught my children that life is sacred. My daughter was homecoming queen, and can shoot and field strip an AR15 enough to get by. My son is a history buff and collects old bolt action rifles. Why did I teach these things? Because FRiend, It can be a VERY ugly world out there. In my opinion, to teach our children to lay down and die when confronted with evil is irresponsible, negligent, and immoral.
Also, if any of us would lecture each other on what defies "conservatism", consider this:
Don't we champion individual liberty ?
Don't we embrace the rule of law and shun rule by decree?
Entrapment is far too kind of a word too describe what OUR government did at Ruby Ridge.
"When policemen break the law, there isn't any law. Just a fight for survival." from Billy Jack... Fictitious, but fitting.
"Operation Showtime" - you nailed it. The key to understanding Waco is the fact that the media showed up before the agents.
Pretty sharp lainie
<< It was George Bush Sr.'s administration which perpetrated that atrocity. >>
There was/is no "George Bush Sr." The name of the man to whom you refer is George Herbert Walker Bush. Are you a stalwart of the right?
<< It bothers me to see stalwarts of the right mix up historical facts in this way. In the ever-increasing chasm between conservatives and republicans, I'm sensitive to falsehoods.. call it paranoia or just irritability. Either way, a policy of truth is SO important. >>
It bothers me too. But not as much as it bothers me that there is no real connect between conservatives, Constitutionalist/libertarians and Republicans.
The Republican Party is a total sellout in which, from the president and the head of the RNC on down, there are only shades of RINO.
And the cartel formed by the Republican Party and the "Democrats" in which the "opposing" parties but enact set pieces, play three card monte and take turns at shuffling the pea under the thimble to fool the punters, epitomises the kind of racketeering for which congress designed and enacted the RICO statutes. If General Motors and Ford entered into such a cartel the executives of both would all die in the prison with no keys.
Most intelligent Americans long for there to be a third political party.
I'd fall on my knees every day for the rest of my life for even a second.
"No, Ruby Ridge was a BATF screwup/malefaction directed by Pres. Bush, as part of their continuing operation aimed at right-wing extremists in Idaho."
It wasn't BATF according to this:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lynch082102.asp
On August 21, 1992 a paramilitary unit of the U.S. Marshals Service ventured onto the 20-acre property known as Ruby Ridge. A man named Randy Weaver owned the land and he lived there with his wife, children, and a family friend, Kevin Harris. There was an outstanding warrant for Weaver's arrest for a firearms offense and the marshals were surveilling the premises. When the family dog noticed the marshals sneaking around in the woods, it began to bark wildly. Weaver's 14-year-old boy, Sammy, and Kevin Harris proceeded to grab their rifles because they thought the dog had come upon a wild animal.
A firefight erupted when a marshal shot and killed the dog. Enraged that the family pet had been cut down for no good reason, Sammy shot into the woods at the unidentified trespasser. Within a few minutes, two human beings were shot dead: Sammy Weaver and a marshal. Harris and the Weaver family retreated to their cabin and the marshals retreated from the mountain and called the FBI for assistance.
During the night, FBI snipers took positions around the Weaver cabin. There is no dispute about the fact that the snipers were given illegal "shoot to kill" orders. Under the law, police agents can use deadly force to defend themselves and others from imminent attack, but these snipers were instructed to shoot any adult who was armed and outside the cabin, regardless of whether the adult posed a threat or not. The next morning, an FBI agent shot and wounded Randy Weaver. A few moments later, the same agent shot Weaver's wife in the head as she was standing in the doorway of her home holding a baby in her arms. The FBI snipers had not yet announced their presence and had not given the Weavers an opportunity to peacefully surrender
I told you. ATF tried to get Randy Weaver to spy for them. Be an informant. Then stand up in open court and accuse people of stuff. He said no. Then they, the ATF, ran their undercover man at him who tried to get him to cut off the barrels of a shotgun shorter than 18". He cut the barrels exactly 18", no less, but ATF measured them their way, and pronounced them too short and secured an indictment of Weaver for something he didn't do, because of something else he didn't do that they had no power to compel him to do.
BATF has a history of e.g. seizing semiautomatic guns, greasing up the sears with thick gun-grease until the sears won't catch, and then videotaping the gun slam-firing in a "runaway gun" mode. Then they sign a complaint alleging the gun's owner had converted it to full-auto.
They pull crap like that on gun owners who won't cooperate the way Weaver did, in ATF "investigations" of other gun owners that they want to "get". People who have weapons collections or unpopular political views or socially unacceptable opinions or bad manners or bad-looking hair and wardrobes.
Is any of this getting through to you yet? They step on people because they don't like them, or just to show everybody who's the boss. That's what Wayne LaPierre was talking about, and he documented other cases where ATF agents have acted in that same manner.
Waco was supposed to be a big version of what they did to Randy Weaver: bust in on them, drag them outside, throw them on the ground, and videotape them. Then drag some people off to jail. Film at six. And just in time for the ATF appropriations discussions up on the Hill.
Ruby Ridge was all about "do what we tell you to do, when we tell you to do it, or you will go to prison by hook or by crook."
Who knows? Maybe the Weaver kid thought he was next. Kinda hard to ask him now.
I don't recall whose property they were on when this happened.
The Marshals were there ostensibly to serve a warrant on Randy Weaver concerning the ATF complaint. Don't know why you need three guys in full battle dress to do that. Might be that the ATF had told them what a real bad dude Randy Weaver was.
Thanks for the elucidation. I knew some of the above, but not all.
Is the ATF as bad as it was then?
A woman I know met one of the ATF agents who was killed at Mt. Carmel -- I think he was the one who went inside the dormitory and was killed there. You may recall the footage of rounds coming through the roof from the inside, and one of the agents on the roof being injured. (I thought at the time that that may have been someone using a Barrett -- the holes were big enough, and Koresh is known to have had one or two.) She told me he was very dashing, very gung-ho, a real swashbuckler. She really liked him and regretted greatly his being killed but wasn't surprised he'd be the first one in the building, even in a very hairy situation.
That's the kind of guys they were attracting then.
He probably wasn't an evil man. Sigh.
"Might be that the ATF had told them what a real bad dude Randy Weaver was"
Ha! You're undoubtably right about that.LOL
Therea are too many conservatives that make that error that it appears almost intentional.
A. They set themselves up to be seen that way. How often have you heard Rush say when something of "fuzziness" is out there that he alone would straighten it out.
B. They often claim to be correct.
Actually they are being pretty loosey goosey. With all the "team" that goes into that program, it's amazing it got by them. They even have it as a link on the general public web site as a featured soundbite.
I don't remember for sure of the exact timeline, but I do remember the government stonewalling for months afterward (surely during BC's watch, Janet REno too) refusing to punish that murdering sniper POS that killed the baby and the wife. As far as I'm concerned that's what Rush was talking about......
I specifically did. Go back and read my post.
You asked a series insinuating questions that followed from nothing that I said. Then you made an incorrect accusation.
If you don't want to be accused of being paranoid, then don't act paranoid.
Q for you: Do you beat your wife?
What? Nothing that you've said deserves that question to be asked of you?
We just have to remember that we ALL fall short of the mark.
They think he was guilty.
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