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In Brazil, ethanol made from sugar cane has become a formidable competitor to gasoline.

www.e85fuel.com

1 posted on 01/07/2006 7:38:06 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

When it becomes economically competitive with gasoline they will, without some grandstanding politicians telling them to do it.


2 posted on 01/07/2006 7:42:13 PM PST by Hugin
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To: neverdem

When the hypocrite Libs with the weathered Kerry/Edwards bumperstickers on their Lexis SUV's stop driving SUV's...then I'll consider Pataki's worthless proposal.


3 posted on 01/07/2006 7:44:04 PM PST by chet_in_ny
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To: neverdem

Won't this increase the price of my tacos and corn chips?


4 posted on 01/07/2006 7:44:17 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: neverdem

"Pataki Wants Drivers to Fill Up With Ethanol"

He should be pleased with Teddy!


5 posted on 01/07/2006 7:44:48 PM PST by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: neverdem

If economically viable, I have no problem using either. Also, ethanol should be cost-adjusted for the lower BTu value.


7 posted on 01/07/2006 7:46:01 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Smoked a big cigar, drove a Cadillac car, said "Boss, I think this band's outta sight!")
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To: neverdem
Impalas or Nissan Titans can use this type of fuel, which some view as a way to liberate Americans from Middle Eastern oil.

Only if you ignore the energy required to make ethanol or biodiesel. Don't forget diesel is required to run farm tractors to plant and harvest corn. Energy is required to distill pure ethanol. The cost of producing these fuels would increase if there were a shortage of oil coming to the US. They would hardly make us independent of Middle Eastern oil.

8 posted on 01/07/2006 7:46:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: neverdem
Why doesn't this idiot push for more ANWAR type drilling and production. Think of all the land that could be freed up for Spotted Owls and Snail Darters because less would be used to grow corn for bio-fuels.

Just another inconsistency of the Left.

9 posted on 01/07/2006 7:46:54 PM PST by TCats
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To: neverdem

Man, let me tell ya I would love to find Bio-Diesel stations here in NH. There is only one I know of and Bio-diesel tends to gel in the winter so people won't use it in the north ... but I would definitely use it in my Dodge Ram and VW Jetta during the warm months.

It would give the farmers another cash crop, and if more people drove diesels and used bio-diesel the streets would smell like french-fries.


10 posted on 01/07/2006 7:48:11 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: neverdem

E85 ethanol/gas mix can seriously damage your engine.


14 posted on 01/07/2006 7:55:04 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: neverdem

I would like for Pataki to immediately retire to Cuba, and they want ice-water in hell, however..


29 posted on 01/07/2006 8:30:50 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
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To: neverdem

I knew a bunch of drivers who used to fill up with ethanol--but someone got MADD....(8^D)


35 posted on 01/07/2006 9:24:40 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Coleus; cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
How ambitious Pataki is in his last year! FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

Stop Cloning and Embryo Research in NEW YORK STATE (e-mail)

36 posted on 01/07/2006 9:25:15 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
I already fill myself up every night with ethanol
40 posted on 01/07/2006 11:15:47 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: neverdem

I do fill up with Ethanol already.
It's called Bombay Blue Saphire Gin. I like mine with Tonic and ice. :)


42 posted on 01/08/2006 4:41:44 AM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: neverdem
If Gov Pataki wants us to fill up with ethanol made from sugar cane there is no reason why the ethanol should be considerably cheaper at the pump.

Sounds good, let's wait and see if the government can louse it up, or do it correctly benefiting motorists.

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43 posted on 01/08/2006 6:01:11 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: neverdem
CUT from Nelson's BioWillie

Biodiesel can cost as much as a $1 a gallon more than regular diesel when pure, though it is typically sold as B20. Prices vary depending on volume and region, and new tax incentives are aimed at closing the cost gap. In fact, BioWillie was selling for $2.37 a gallon on Thursday in Carl's Corner, Nelson's own truck stop in Texas that serves as headquarters of his year-old company, Willie Nelson BioDiesel. That was just 4 cents more than the conventional diesel selling at another station nearby.

Nelson's BioWillie is aimed mostly at truckers and is usually sold as B20 — pure biodiesel can congeal in colder climates. BioWillie is currently sold at 13 gas stations and truck stops in four states, mostly in Texas, and is used to fuel the buses and trucks for Nelson's tours.

Every alternative to oil, however, has its drawbacks. Biodiesel would reduce most emissions of smog-forming pollutants and global warming gases, and it could be used instead of foreign oil.

But some studies show that it increases emissions of one harmful pollutant, nitrogen oxide, and it could not be produced in vast enough quantities to supplant oil-based fuel, or come close to it, unless the nation starts turning the suburbs over to farmland. And like producing ethanol, producing great quantities of biodiesel from corn or soybeans could drive up food prices.

Bill Reinert, a top advanced technology engineer at Toyota, said in an interview earlier this year: "I frankly don't see biodiesel being an early alt-fuel player across a wide swath of geography. It's a boutique fuel. There's not enough payoff and not enough people into it."

Peter J. Bell, the chief executive of Distribution Drive, a distributor of biodiesel that is working with Nelson, said of the nation's nearly 200,000 gas stations, "650 carry biodiesel, so we have a job in front of us." Nelson sits on the board of Distribution Drive's parent, Earth Biofuels, a publicly traded company.

"I hope somebody makes money out of it. I'm sure they will, and probably what'll happen is that the oil industry will wait until everybody else builds all the infrastructure and then they'll come in and take over," he said. "But that's OK, I don't worry about that. As along as the idea progresses because all I'm caring about is getting it out there and maybe helping the country, the farmer, the environment."

Asked if he intended to become a fat cat CEO with a big cigar in his mouth, he replied: "I'll give you my part of it. I'll just sign over all my earnings and belongings to you right now and I'll sing 'Whiskey River.'"

44 posted on 01/08/2006 6:48:02 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: neverdem

I saw Daryl Hannah on the Late, Late Show (I love that show!). She bragged that, living in Colorado, she's "gone green"--living on solar power and recycling vegetable grease from fast-food places to power her car.

The hypocrite then avoided answering what she used in LA, in regards to her auto and her being "on the grid." She lamented that she had to spend much time in LA because of her job.

In my experience, "green people" are the most hypocritical. (And what's with that facelift? Is that part of being "green"?)

MEEEEOOOOoooow!


48 posted on 01/08/2006 8:39:45 AM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: neverdem

Pataki Wants Drivers to Fill Up With Ethanol or Biodiesel




If it works at least as good as gasoline, and is CHEAPER, I will use it.


49 posted on 01/08/2006 9:36:56 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Allah demands you to send your son to die for him, God sent His son to die for me.)
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To: neverdem
A New York governor shilling for the corn lobby? I don't get it. What's his angle?
61 posted on 10/02/2006 12:16:22 AM PDT by curiosity
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