Posted on 01/02/2006 12:25:03 PM PST by neverdem
So who are conservatives in NYC going to vote for?
They voted for Tom Ognibene on the Conservative line last November.
Thanks for the ping!
um... never heard of him.. =o)
RUDY is a gun grabbing scumbag.
There was an article here just yesterday saying that violent crime is continuing to drop in NYC, so evidently Bloomberg has not reversed the good work Rudy did on that.
This is a lot of blather. Increasing penalties on shooting cops and trafficking in illegal firearms is not the same thing as taking away lawful weapons, so in practice that's OK too.
The problem is the language and the attitude. Plus the fact that ever since Murdoch's oldest son quit the NY Post, it has been moving to the left. The Post is getting worse than the Daily News, which doesn't leave a single conservative voice in New York City, other than the small-circulation Sun.
Hey, thanks for the great info ....didn't realize that's how it came about.
Not to worry re: being Celtic ... I have a problem being a Christian Jew .....
Regards,
Jane
--Very hard to get city permit.
Very hard to get a carry permit in the entire state of NJ. NJ is one of the most difficult states to get a CCW as it is not administered by county like NY and CA. So you can't live out in the boonies and get one fairly easily.
If y'all had way more gu"ns in the hands of the law abiding, you'd find the legal guns" would drive out most of the "illegal guns", and reduce the scourge considerably.
But I'd like to know how in a country whose Constitution states:
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." and in a state whose civil rights law states:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed."
there can be any such thing as "illegal guns"?
Still it's a long way from "cannot be infringed" (NY State Civil rights law) to "permit to posses", especially when said permit is not "shall issue", and is issued at the discretion of the Police Commissioner.
But I think neverdem was just pointing out that there is not an outright ban, just a right turned into a rarely granted privilege.
Illegal firearms? What part of either "shall not be infringed" or "cannot be infringed" is unclear. There can be no such thing, under either NY's civil rights law, or the Second Amendment to the US constitution. There can criminals who misuse firearms, there can perhaps be persons who illegally own firearms (assuming the disability was part of their sentence) and their could be other sorts of illegal ownership (ie. receiving and/or possessing stolen firearms), but there cannot be "illegal firearms".
By "illegal firearms" I mean firearms that have been stolen, have the SNs filed off, and the like. The Second Amendment doesn't protect trafficking in stolen weapons.
You got that about right. Here is a good synopsis of the whole sordid affair, from Gun Law News.
I found this from a NY Slimes editorial of the time (before the law) particularly interesting. The Old Gray Bitch hasn't changed much since, at least as far as the RKBA is concerned. However they have become more PC and don't usually openly show their contempt for the little people.
January 27, 1905 New York Times Editorial - [The proposed gun control] measure would prove corrective and salutary in a city filled with immigrants and evil communications, floating from the shores of Italy and Austria-Hungary. New York police reports frequently testify to the fact that the Italian and other south Continental gentry here are acquainted with the pocket pistol, and while drunk or merrymaking will use it quite as handily as the stiletto, and with more deadly effect. It is hoped that this treacherous and distinctly outlandish mode of settling disputes may not spread to corrupt the native good manners of the community.
With the permission of Big Nanny, all guns are illegal in New York City. And she's really stingy with that permission. So yea, she'll let you keep your rubber band gun, AFAIK.
But that's not what Da Mayor means. He means any gun that his thugs haven't given your permission to possess. There are no "illegal firearms", only stolen property. The serial number business is a recent innovation anyway. If the manufactures wish to put them on for warranty or purposes that's fine, but the requirement to have them is a federal law allowing for them to track them. Supposedly if they are found at the scene of a crime or some such. Despite what you see on TV, this rarely happens, and in any event only allows tracking back to the last owner who bought the gun through a FFL dealer. If one or more private party sales occur between that sale and the theft, they can't even get back to the lawful owner.
In September 1913 Sullivan disappeared after an all night card game with his guards. A few days later his body was found on the railroad tracks near the Westchester freight yards. An engineer stated that Sullivan was dead before the train ran over his body.
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Struck and killed by a locomotive, near Pelham Parkway, Bronx, Bronx County, N.Y., August 31, 1913
I wouldn't have wished him dead if I had been around at that time, but if it was his time to go anyway it would have been poetic justice if some Italian dockworker had shot him with an unregistered revolver.
It would have been, wouldn't it? And it may have happened that way. Note that some reports, from the engineer for example, indicate the body was already dead when the train hit it.
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