Scholars fight arms flow, violent culture

Toronto Star ^ | 31 Dec 05

[rellimpank]

Canada needs tough gun control laws, says a Toronto expert, but lawmakers are up against a global arms "epidemic" that has circulated millions of weapons around the world, destabilizing countries and undermining cities.

And, says Wendy Cukier, professor of criminal justice at Ryerson University, the latest Toronto police figures — obtained through a Freedom of Information request — show that 52 per cent of handguns seized as "potential crime weapons" in 2004 came from the United States.

"The majority of those guns come from over the border," she says. "And the ones that are reported as legally registered in Canada may also be manufactured in the U.S."

[headstamp]

"Wendy Cukier, professor of criminal justice at Ryerson University"

Totally and irrevocably intellectually bankrupt. More gun control, yeah that's the ticket. This is nothing but an attempt to draw the heat off the idiot liberal officials. They'll use this to continue selling their hopeless gun registration scheme with an added host of other draconian anti-gun proposals.

[mylife]

Here is what is legally being imported in Canada

[Congressman Billybob]

Now, let's see, Professor Cokier, Canada has no gun manufacturers. Guns are a precise product which require machine tools of some sophistication to manufacture. Therefore, most of the guns will come from other countries. And since the US is the major trading partner for Canada on ALL goods, logically it is the same for guns.

The questions to research, you nitwit, are three. Who is bringing these guns into Canada, Canadians or Americans? And who are the people pulling the trigger on gun crimes in Canada, Canadians or Americans? Last, and most important, has the gun ban and registry in Canada reduced gun ownership and use among criminals in any degree similar to reduction among normal, law-abiding citizens?

Those answers will lead to this conclusion, disarm the law-abiding and the criminals will become more active and more deadly. Hell, look at the destruction of the Canadian military for an example. Disarm yourself, and either others will have to defend you -- or no one will defend you. It is a very simple and inexorable equation.

Congressman Billybob

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[DJ Taylor]

How odd! There was not one mention of the fact that Toronto's gun related killings are almost entirely as a result of Jamaican gang activity. Also not mentioned is that these gangs are the Jamaicans that Canadian liberals imported and have kept dependent on government handouts in order to expand the Canadian liberal voting constituency.

[Doogle]

"The majority of those guns come from over the border," she says. "And the ones that are reported as legally registered in Canada may also be manufactured in the U.S."

...so a hood is a hood no matter where he gets a gun. and it don't matter if the "majority" of guns used in a CRIME came from Bermuda...????...Next this bunch of "Scholars" will be pointing out if the criminal fired the weapon to the north he must have gotten the weapon from the US,and if he fires to the south,it's a clear indication it was purchased or stolen from Alaska

Doogle

[Steel Wolf]

the latest Toronto police figures — obtained through a Freedom of Information request — show that 52 per cent of handguns seized as "potential crime weapons" in 2004 came from the United States.

Let me know when they start rounding up potential prostitutes, potential wife beaters, and potential drunk drivers. Then I'll know they're serious about crime.

[MediaAnalyst]

"52 people have died from gunfire in the city this year. It's a far lower total than the more than 1,400 killed in New York"

...and so the Canadian MSM gets on the wagon of false and misleading information. If you scoot over to today's New York Times...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/31/nyregion/31crime.html?hp&ex=1136091600&en=10df13f49ff8773a&ei=5094&partner=homepage

...you will see that New York will likely come in at under 550 total murders this year, nothing like 1400, which is probably a very old number (to be comparing apples to apples, one would also have to add people killed in gun accidents to New York's number, but then one would also have to exclude people murdered without the use of guns, which is probably a larger number).

It also needs to be noted that New York is over 3 times as populous as Toronto, and would be expected to have higher crime numbers, even if all other things were equal. When you use the correct numbers, adjusted for population, New York is still several times higher than Canada, but the trend lines have been clearly converging over the past 10 years.

The bottom line is that, with the infusion of, how do you say, people of other cultures, Canada's violent crime rate is starting to soar, and they can try as hard as they want to blame us, but we're too busy getting our house in order down here (certainly in New York) to be concerned with their ranting.

[BadAndy]

"...you will see that New York will likely come in at under 550 total murders this year, nothing like 1400,"

Probably only 50% of those 550 were killed by gun and 65-70% of that by handguns. Corrected for population between the 2 cities and the differences are not as great as they think.

[yer gonna put yer eye out]

"Wendy Cukier,"

Appropriate name considering the subject.

[BenLurkin]

They can't figure out that the global problem is the collapse of civilization in general and western civilization in particular.

The hard fact is: The bad guys will kill you one way or another. Take away your guns and you will be hacked to death with machetes -- count on it.

[VeniVidiVici]

From the article:

and since a series of laws were tightened, murders with rifles and shotguns have plummeted from 131 in 1989 to 32 in 2003.

Interesting statement since the article was almost entirely concerned about handguns, and yet slipped in unnoticed was this statement that murders with rifles and shotguns fell.

[chesley]

They couldn't be libs without that blind spot.

[George Smiley]

"potential crime weapons"

Eric Blair would be proud.

[George Smiley]

"potential crime weapons"

Eric Blair would be proud.

Funny things happen when you mistype HREF.

[2harddrive]

Canadian anti-gunners are so stupid...that's why they pronounce it CanaDUH!

[Simo Hayha]

Obviously, we should begin dating things before and after the advent of the gun. Which was yesterday, based on this article.