Posted on 12/30/2005 10:21:26 AM PST by onedoug
Deenis Prager on now discussing his own impending divorce....
Then you picked the right moralizer to listen to.
Personally, I don't want to her his sh@t any more on why God says we shouldn't be homosexual or practice polygyny or why we should never try to get the microwave repairman fix our machine on warranty when we broke it through our own negligence, etc. After all, he picks and chooses whats right and wrong, why shouldnt the rest of us?
His brand of thoughtful analysis works for me. Divorce is bad and often unseemly, but not necessarily immoral.
Those who can cope with that appreciate his insights. I can.
"A cheater is easy to deride - they break one of the big promises they made in their lives. That being said, the simple fact that someone was alienated by their spouse and took up with someone else doesn't necessarily mean that the cheated-upon spouse is entirely innocent, or even deserving of undue sympathy."
Not true, imho.
There comes a point where wrong is wrong, regardless of circumstance, reason or justification. There is simply never any excuse for cheating, period.
Excuse - no. Reasons? Yes.
I can think of a lot worse somenone can do than cheat on a dreadful spouse and leave them. A lot worse.
LOL! Really? Its that hard to stay married, even after you failed once??
Hard to believe maybe, but ministers,rabbis, et al are mostly not divorced. In fact, if 50% of marriages stay solvent, wouldnt you think much more than 50 % of professional moralizers would do the same?
Haha, its funny. One of the most prominent moralizers in the country wants to dumb us down to the relaxed standards he finds himself in, now (but not before)! Beyond absurd.
Life is not predictable. Responsible people try their best and fail. Prager's wife knew he had to run around a lot. He'll be back. Their teen will learn to run around the world early and then settle down. Join the AF and learn a tech skill faster than in college with 12 hours a day mandatory study and visit 8 or 9 countries in the process while meeting a bunch of different people in 6 years. That's what I did. It pays.
The way I put it to my fiancee (now my wife), I shouldn't marry her unless I felt that I could trust her---AND that I could forgive her if she betrayed that trust. It sounds paradoxical but I think it's critical.
My lovely wife has, thankfully, never betrayed that trust. May I never be tested on that second point.
I listen(ed) to him a lot. I might still listen to him, but maybe not so much.
Seems right out of the Sal Alinksy "Rules for Radicals" play book
Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
Actually, I believe that statistics suggest that those who divorce are less successful at staying together the second time.
Haha, its funny. One of the most prominent moralizers in the country wants to dumb us down to the relaxed standards he finds himself in, now (but not before)! Beyond absurd.
What evidence do you have that his standards have relaxed as a result of this incident?
This is like everyone pouncing on Bill Bennett for gambling. It was funny, because he never said he was against it in the first place.
Look, marriage is sacrosanct, but people screw up. He's now screwed up twice. I really like the guy, but his credibility takes a hit here. You ever listen to him drone on about whether this or that white lie is ok or not , according to God,s wishes, etcetera ? I think this weakens his authority, but what the hey. Maybe nobody else cares; they like the way he talks the talk.
I agree. He acted like he was perfect and he is far from it.
That is the way He approaches everyone, thru their sin.
I guess not when your used to it...You know we speak of abortion and how we have too many in the World, but I think we are worse off with all the divorces. I think the motto for divorce should be rare to hardly ever. It amazes me all these folks that get tired of their spouse and move on like life is a game or something. Does anybody ever understand that life is not all fun and games? Especially when you (Prager) are constantly speaking about the ills of the World and then to come out and be part of the ills is just hypocritical. He should have kept quiet after his first divorce much less his second.
Well sure, if he's talking about how to hold a marriage together, fine. And yet, even so, one can effectively speak out of one's own failures and provide valuable contribution to the discussion. And why does it necessarily impact his discussion on a whole host of issues that have nothing to do with marriage?
You ever listen to him drone on about whether this or that white lie is ok or not , according to God,s wishes, etcetera ?
Sure. So what does that have to do with marriage?
I think this weakens his authority, but what the hey. Maybe nobody else cares; they like the way he talks the talk.
I'm really not sure when he ever had authority, at least not in the sense of the word I understand it. He is an advocate, but I don't buy his words as Gospel immediately just because he says it.
No way. I am sorry that cannot be true. The church excommunicates people for this the first time.
But that's me.
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