Posted on 12/29/2005 4:24:45 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
The campaign against the alleged harassment of Hindus in Russia by the Orthodox Church and the Mayor of Moscow is getting more intense in Britain.
Ashok Kumar, MP is launching the "Defend Russian Hindus Campaign" at the House of Commons in January.
There was umbrage here when it was learnt that Archbishop Nikon wrote a letter to the Mayor of Moscow urging him not to allow the construction of a Hindu temple in Moscow because according to him, Lord Krishna who is worshipped by the Hindu community was an "evil demon".
"Such untenable words in an age where interfaith harmony is the need of the day are nothing but an attempt to malign and persecute a faith community that teaches respect and freedom for every other faith community, " commented Ramesh Kallidai, Secretary General Hindu Forum of Britain, an umbrella organisation of most community groups in Britain.
The Defend Russian Hindus Campaign, launched by the Hindu Forum of Britain, Hindu Council UK, National Council of Hindu Temples UK, International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Vishwa Hindu Parishad UK, Hindu Council of Australia, Hindu American Foundation and many other worldwide Hindu organisations, aims to build awareness about the alleged persecution and discrimination against Russian Hindus by a corpus of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Mayor of Moscow, despite support from the Central Government.
There are over 100,000 Hindus in Russia. In Moscow alone, there are 5,000 Hindus of Indian origin and over 10,000 Hindus of Russian origin.
Two years ago the Mayor of Russia asked Hindus to vacate their temple in exchange for a piece of land on which they could build a bigger temple. After land was allocated to the Hindu temple, the original temple was demolished. The Russian Orthodox Church orchestrated mass protests against the allocation of land and started a misinformation campaign against Hindus in the media.
On October 30, 2005, after bowing down to pressure from the Orthodox Church, the Mayor of Moscow cancelled the land order and took away the piece of land given for the construction of the Hindu temple. Now, the 15,000 Hindus in Moscow have no place to worship. The consecrated Deities of Radha and Krishna will have no home, say the Hindu leaders.
Kallidai said around the time of India Prime Minister's state visit to Moscow to meet Russian President Putin, Archbishop Nikon, a leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, called the Hindu God, Lord Krishna an "evil demon, the personified power of hell opposing God", and "a livid lascivious youth".
Note that 90% of them are Russian Orthodox. They are not so influential in this country.
“Latin Heresy”, “Catholic invaders”, “Indian pagans” :-) You all have interesting vocabulary.
Of course. And KKK are not the worse.
Just look at the number of Christians in Turkey at the times of Kemal Pasha Ataturk getting into power, in middle of XX century and today. Turks do better jobs of eradicating Christianity that Saudis. But you would wipe out Christians out of the world map if it could hurt Russians.
Your mind is fixed by Mickiewicz and his occult ideas naively indoctrinated in Polish schools. You do not have even a clue about it, but this is the secret of irrational hatred of Russia so wide spread in Poland.
I recommend studying works and live of Krasinski who have seen the madness of Mickiewicz and the harm his revolutionary ideas and hatred will cause to Polish culture and identity. Start with Undivine Comedy (Nieboska Komedia).
Whatever you think about Ataturk, he is death and Turkey is more democratic than Russia. They don’t use repression towards Roman Catholics like the Russians do. Beside the Turks weren’t that bad if Polokonez, the Polish village near Istanbul remained Catholic (with Catholic church) since XVIII century.
Your mind is fixed by Mickiewicz and his occult ideas naively indoctrinated in Polish schools. You do not have even a clue about it, but this is the secret of irrational hatred of Russia so wide spread in Poland.
Your problem is that you support Russian imperialism even over good of Polish state. You falsely accusing Mickiewicz that he was anti-Russian while ignoring the fact that he wrote for example such lyrics as “Do Przyjaciól Moskali” (To the Russian friends). Mickiewicz condemned Tsarist despotism not the Russian nation.
I did not talk about Ataturk (who was a nasty and cruel dictator). I talked about time span from Ataturk to now - to show how the number of Christians went from millions to almost none today. Even if only thousands are left now, this process still CONTINUES.
They don’t use repression towards Roman Catholics like the Russians do.
There are few Catholics in Turkey if any. Most of Christians were Armenians and Greeks.
Beside the Turks weren’t that bad if Polokonez, the Polish village near Istanbul remained Catholic (with Catholic church) since XVIII century.
Indeed, there is such village. In your eyes if Turks spare one Polish village it balances out the genocide committed on Armenian and Greek Christians. How biased you can be?
You falsely accusing Mickiewicz that he was anti-Russian while ignoring the fact that he wrote for example such lyrics as “Do Przyjaciól Moskali” (To the Russian friends).
In this case Mickiewicz still hoped for bloody revolution in Russia (the one like came hundred years later). By "friends" he meant potential revolutionaries. Mickiewicz was an occult international revolutionary at the time when proto-Communism and proto-Nazism were being formed together with other poisonous anti-Chistan movements.
He wanted to overthrow the Christian civilization from inside, through art and poetry. He dreamed about the power over people minds and control over Polish culture ("Rzad dusz"). If you read carefully his writing you will notice the motive of a treasonous leader whose objective to destroy Christians (Grenada - a false convert who infects Christians with plague, Walenrod a secret pagan who leads crusaders into the destruction and more ...)
The main reason why the revolutionary enemies of the Church turned against Russia was the defeat of Napoleon and establishment of Holy Alliance. From this moment Russia became the bulwark of "reaction". Mickiewicz was the key figure who managed ti instill this attitude in Poland.
The remedy for him is Krasinski, Prus and some later writers.
They were truth Russian patriots. Believe or not but even in Russia they were people who opposed despotism and in opposition to you they have the balls to do something with it.
You are trying to derail the argument again. First you wanted to stick to Ataturk and now to Armenian genocide.
I said, look at the numbers of Christian in Turkey from time of Ataturk until NOW. It is continuous decrease going toward zero. Turks when measured by outcome are not better than Saudis.
No. it is you who is linking Ataturk and Armenian genocide with TODAY'S reality. Maybe you need to look at the number of Jews in Poland since 1938 to this day, what is your conclusion here?
Again, I want to show the process of eradication of Christianity in Turkey, the land where the first ecumenical councils took place long before coming of Turks.
Look at this process of eradication AFTER Ataturk and Armenian genocide if Ataturk distracts you so much.
Maybe you need to look at the number of Jews in Poland since 1938 to this day, what is your conclusion here?
Polish Jews were killed by the FOREIGN invaders and occupiers. Turks purge Christians by themselves. Polish Jews are free to open synagogues and to worship.
It is amazing that hatred of Russia might be stronger than the desire to treat one's own country fair.
Lets name this invaders! The Germans, so why do you treat the differently than the Turks? Christian are free in Turkey and this is Russian Orthodox leadership who are crying about Catholic invasions not the Turks. Who is more civilized?
It is amazing that hatred of Russia might be stronger than the desire to treat one's own country fair.
LOL It is your hatred of Poland and total lack of ANY loyalty is truly amazing.
Nice retort, CarrotAndStick ! ;-)
I got tired.
Thanks!
Right...you are also insane.
Knock off the personal attacks.
You and I have gone at it before...It would behoove you to be a little more respectful toward Orthodox Christians...
I have deep respect to the Orthodox people who deserve for it. The same with other religions including Roman Catholics. But some Russian Orthodox in this forum simply are deeply convinced that they are better than others and they deserve for some special rights and special treatment. How could I respect such people?
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