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Tom Tancredo's Wall [turn(S) the United States into the world's largest gated community.]
Wall Street Journal ^ | 12/29/05 | Review & Outlook

Posted on 12/29/2005 5:53:27 AM PST by harpu

"We have a supply and a demand problem. The supply problem is coming across the border. We are in this bill doing something very specific about that with the inclusion of the amendment, with the passage of the amendment, to build some barrier along at least 700 miles of our southern border. I hope we continue with that, by the way, along the entire border, to the extent it is feasible, and the northern border we could start next." -- Rep. Tom Tancredo (R., Colo.)

So there you have it. Tom Tancredo has done everyone a favor by stating plainly the immigration rejectionists' end-game -- turn the United States into the world's largest gated community. The House took a step in that direction this month by passing another immigration "reform" bill heavy with border control and business harassment and light on anything that will work in the real world.

For the past two decades, border enforcement has been the main focus of immigration policy; by any measure, the results are pitiful. According to the Migration Policy Institute, "The number of unauthorized migrants in the United States has risen to almost 11 million from about four million over the past 20 years, despite a 519% increase in funding and a 221% increase in staffing for border patrol programs."

Given that record, it's hard to see the House Republican bill as much more than preening about illegal immigration. The legislation is aimed at placating a small but vocal constituency that wants the borders somehow sealed, come what may to the economy, American traditions of liberty or the Republican Party's relationship with the increasingly important Latino vote.

-big giant snip-

...At some point, the president of the United States will have to get behind the Statue of Liberty or Tom Tancredo's wall.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; borderfence; homelandsecurity; hr4437; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; libertariancrap; tancredo; tancredofence; tancredowall; wsjcrappola
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To: Dan Evans
Didn't we prosecute a bunch of Wal-Mart employees who hired some illegal contractors? Was there a huge public outcry?

They were all acquitted by the jury.

241 posted on 12/30/2005 1:35:33 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: chronic_loser
Many freepers do not realize that if we played this right, we could use the argument that hispanics and asians come here and PROSPER with no fed assistance, thereby giving legitimacy to arguments for dismanteling the whole welfare state.

Most of your posts are based on wishful thinking. Well maybe they'll vote Republican or maybe we can end welfare as we know it if we play our cards right or most of them will return home if we loosen the border and let them come and go as they please.

When running a nation leaders can't go by maybes or what ifs but only facts using history sometimes as a guide. We tried amnesty in 1986 and it resulted in a massive increase in illegals pouring across while traditionally conservative states like California went socialist.

Repeating the same mistakes over only now with as many as six or more times the amount of illegals present as then would be devastating to future generations and would if California is any indication condemn them to being ruled by a socialist government nationally.

Are you aware thanks to family chain laws if we allowed all these illegals to buy their citizenship as you propose nearly half of Mexico, up to 40 million would be eligible to immigrate to the US? Do you honestly believe that's in the best interest of this nation let alone the Republican party?

242 posted on 12/30/2005 1:46:43 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Dan Evans
>>>>Didn't we prosecute a bunch of Wal-Mart employees who hired some illegal contractors? Was there a huge public outcry?
They were all acquitted by the jury.

not only that, they were not wal mart employees at all. They were CONTRACTORS. The stupid and silly idea that I am responsible for CONTRACT labor, whom I do not supervise, direct, or exercise control over (that is the definition of CONTRACTOR for some of the brainiacs who reside on these threads) is utter nonsense.

This was a way for ICE to show some muscle. Wal Mart should have told them to go to hell and fought it, but when you fight the fed in court, they have unlimited resources, so Wal Mart just paid a fine and said "yassah, massah" so that the labor whores could talk about how they backed the scab labor down. It was mindless posturing from the very get go.

243 posted on 12/30/2005 1:46:51 PM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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To: chronic_loser
"They were CONTRACTORS."

So if I hire a contractor to perform a service on my property, I am not responsible for the laws they break? LOL!!!

244 posted on 12/30/2005 1:58:32 PM PST by moehoward
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To: chronic_loser
The stupid and silly idea that I am responsible for CONTRACT labor,

It's the law. If the jury thinks you helped an illegal gain employment, and if they think you should have known better, you pay the penalty.

But the point is, it is not political suicide to go after employers of illegals as the poster suggested. And this case should have a chilling effect on others who do the same as Wal-Mart.

245 posted on 12/30/2005 2:05:02 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: chronic_loser
"To be honest, I know little of either bill."

Judging by what you outline in your post, if you did know the bills, you would support McKennedy. You definitely wouldnt support Kyl/Cornyn of Bush since they both have time limits (3-6years) and no direct path to citizenship. Yup youre a McKennedy man alright.

This mexican labor stasis you talk about is a thing of the past. They used to come in work and leave because there were so few of them. Now as the countries largest majority it is considerably more comfortable for them. They can find their culture anywhere they might go.
246 posted on 12/30/2005 2:12:13 PM PST by mthom
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To: Lurking Libertarian; chronic_loser
They were all acquitted by the jury.

No. They agreed to pay an 11 million dollar fine. And now they are fighting a lawsuit filed by the people they hired:

"Plaintiffs lawyers in a federal class-action suit in Newark, N.J., challenging the labor practices of the world's biggest corporation, Wal-Mart, think they've got a fighting chance, now that they hold the fruits of a federal criminal probe.

"Affidavit testimony from an immigration investigation of Wal-Mart, they say, shows that two senior executives knew the company's cleaning contractors employed illegal aliens across the country -- the very scienter the plaintiffs need to prove their case.

"This document demonstrates very clearly that Wal-Mart executives knew of the operations of these subcontractors and were very, very much in agreement with the situation," says Gilberto Garcia, of Garcia & Kricko in Englewood Cliffs, N.J., one of the plaintiffs' lawyers in Zavala v. Wal-Mart, 03-5309.

"The suit charges that the contractors routinely hired illegal immigrants from Mexico and Eastern Europe to work seven days a week, housed them in squalid quarters, paid them less than minimum wage and even locked them in Wal-Mart stores at night."

247 posted on 12/30/2005 2:49:53 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans

You're right, I was wrong. I was thinking of Tyson, whose executives were prosecuted and acquitted.


248 posted on 12/30/2005 2:55:02 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SC33
I'm not saying that program should be temporary. I am saying that there should be no path to citizenship, and the workers would only be in the country for a set period of time.

What problem is that going to solve? After their time is up, they will stay here and work as illegals.

So we will still have the problem of them mooching off our social services, the problem of either anchor babies or baby illegals.

And then we will have the problem of a sub-class of worker who will have an advantage over American workers -- they will be able to live off of low pay because they will be able to move back to Mexico where the living is cheap.

A second-class citizenry is a very bad idea. Do I need to explain why?

249 posted on 12/30/2005 2:59:10 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: abc1
The Berlin wall came down when it was found not to work

We always enjoy the presence of children here, but you need to sit at the feet of someone a lot older than you are, and learn, learn, learn before embarrassing yourself again.

250 posted on 12/30/2005 2:59:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: chronic_loser
but when you fight the fed in court, they have unlimited resources, so Wal Mart just paid a fine

What? Wal-Mart couldn't scrape together the cash to fight this? C'mon.

251 posted on 12/30/2005 3:04:33 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: harpu
La Raza will not be happy.

Too bad.

252 posted on 12/30/2005 3:18:47 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: chronic_loser

"If I got everything I liked out of a program like this (I won't) I would put everyone who is here illegally on a guest worker program, contingent on paying back taxes, a hefty fine (even heftier if they want to get on a track for citizenship), proof that no illegal activity has gone down other than the stuff to get across the border and live here, and a clean bill of health. Part of the requirements for ANY alien who seeks citizenship should be the demand that no federal or state assistance is sought.

Many freepers do not realize that if we played this right, we could use the argument that hispanics and asians come here and PROSPER with no fed assistance, thereby giving legitimacy to arguments for dismanteling the whole welfare state."

This is where I would differ:

1.) I would put all those here illegally in a guestworker program(If they wanted to stay and work here.) I would not include any fines, but would exclude any who have been convicted of a crime here.

2.) I would not include a path to citizenship. This is why I would also not assess any fines. Like you, I would also argue for an end to welfare benefits to non-citizens, and I would end the exploitation of birthright citizenship.

3.) Thirdly, you are right that if this was framed right, it would be a huge victory, as it should. However, why I would not include a path to citizenship is because we could show that we are determined to get to the root of the problem, and allow those workers who have gained skills and money in the US to return to their home countries and improve the conditions there.


253 posted on 12/30/2005 4:27:11 PM PST by SC33
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To: chronic_loser

As far as being "thread police" I fear that my qualifications are suspect. I sometimes forget to laugh at the people who post here and get upset with them instead. It is a character flaw that gets me suspended sometimes, so my track record doesn't rise to the quals necessary for internet police. I deal with many heavy breathers here who are so damn stupid that they can't tell the difference between complete amnesty and no borders vs. liberal immigration and dual paths to legal status. As a result, I get a good deal of the kind of cranially eviscerated vapid accusations lke this gem "Frankly, I find your support of illegal activity disgusting."..... whoops, er, that was YOUR post. Oh well. Anyway, if you were one of the OTHER imbeciles who accuse me of various and sundry activities, I would respond that I do not "support illegal activity" but rather think there is more than one way to deal with the illegal activity that has gone on. If that one went by too quickly for you, let me know and I will try to type slower for you next time.


This morning you were over charged with coffee. Now I suspect you are over charged with Tequila


254 posted on 12/30/2005 4:31:34 PM PST by Sterco
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To: moehoward
So if I hire a contractor to perform a service on my property, I am not responsible for the laws they break?

That is right, Homer.

LOL!!

Thorns crackling as they burn.

255 posted on 12/30/2005 5:14:52 PM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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To: Dan Evans
What? Wal-Mart couldn't scrape together the cash to fight this? C'mon.

There are times when it is cheaper to settle. If you didn't know this, you have never been involved in litigation

256 posted on 12/30/2005 5:16:41 PM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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To: Sterco
This morning you were over charged with coffee. Now I suspect you are over charged with Tequila

Well, I don't drink Tequila, but yeah anyhow. Sometimes I try to be witty and only make it halfway there.

257 posted on 12/30/2005 5:21:41 PM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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To: Dan Evans
It's the law.......

Ohhhh, I didn't realize it was you. So I guess you are back from your whinefest with the mods? Poor baby. Did the mod kiss it and make it all better? Woundn't want to hurt its widdle feelings,now, would we?

You are a real piece of work.

258 posted on 12/30/2005 5:28:27 PM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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To: jackbenimble

I need no back up on this. We could never afford Mexico's poverty and over-population. Mexico is in more trouble than you can ever imagine. That is why Georges lip prints are on Vincentes ass. George does not think we can stand them off at the border.


259 posted on 12/30/2005 5:40:11 PM PST by Sterco
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To: chronic_loser
There are times when it is cheaper to settle.

Let's hope that Wal-Mart also finds it cheaper to obey the law.

260 posted on 12/30/2005 6:20:42 PM PST by Dan Evans
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