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To: tortoise

I will compare my grades and 25 years of experience at Cray Research and others to your background anytime.

Again, I challenge YOU - take a 8 bit micro, start feeding in random op codes - when will this machine boot????

You are a IDIOT!


101 posted on 12/28/2005 4:28:42 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain; tortoise
I will compare my grades and 25 years of experience at Cray Research and others to your background anytime. Again, I challenge YOU - take a 8 bit micro, start feeding in random op codes - when will this machine boot???? You are a IDIOT!

Idiot? What is the answer then? Never?

110 posted on 12/28/2005 4:43:55 PM PST by phantomworker (I trust my intuition and speak my truth... Don't accuse me of your imagination!)
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To: BereanBrain
Again, I challenge YOU - take a 8 bit micro, start feeding in random op codes - when will this machine boot????

Mis-statement of the evolutionary process. There is no stimulus -- no reason to include or exclude specific bit sequences.

This is a standard creo talking point -- I think I have seen it stated as a tornado creating a 747. Disingenuous, mis-states the theory, straw man and probably a dozen other logical fallacies.

143 posted on 12/28/2005 5:19:19 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: BereanBrain
I will compare my grades and 25 years of experience at Cray Research and others to your background anytime.

Yeesh, talk about an appeal to improper authority. My university background is chemistry and chemical engineering, and did some work in computational chemistry back before it was common. Despite that, my real contributions to humanity have been in the domain of theoretical computer science and the mathematics relating thereto. You may have "experience" as a tech weenie of some sort, but I develop the underlying theory.

Again, I challenge YOU - take a 8 bit micro, start feeding in random op codes - when will this machine boot???? You are a IDIOT!

You appear to be channeling Ren -- "Stiiimpy!! You IDIOT!!". But you still did not address my point, and fabricated yet another strawman that illustrates your non-comprehension of my point.

Your "experience", such as it is, apparently did not enlighten you to the mathematics of doing computation with anything but zero-order algorithms. And what you say is true if restricted to zero-order algorithms. Very quaint, that, and much computer science still restricts itself to them. Unfortunately, complex organic molecular systems and biochemistry in particular is very clearly a n-order algorithmic system where "n" is a non-trivial integer. One of the neat things about high-order computational systems is that you can bootstrap extremely complex systems from very simple primitives with only a tiny bit of algorithmic information.

All we need is enough high-order algorithmic information to start the bootstrap, and it turns out that the requirements for this to work are actually quite trivial -- it can be plausibly brute-forced. Continue to rant and slobber about zero-order something or other, but it is not relevant to the problem at hand.

156 posted on 12/28/2005 5:36:51 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: BereanBrain

Articles are not your forte.


222 posted on 12/28/2005 6:59:49 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: BereanBrain
You are a IDIOT!

Now now....

No need to gild the lily.

479 posted on 12/29/2005 6:06:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: BereanBrain
I will compare my grades and 25 years of experience at Cray Research and others to your background anytime.

Cray? So what do you think of the NEC Earth Simulator (massive collection of vector processors...)?

918 posted on 12/30/2005 4:18:11 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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